Discussion:
kødproduktionen ødelægger verden
(for gammel til at besvare)
Jahnu
2015-09-09 03:03:31 UTC
Permalink



Have a look at my art -

- Nature
- Birdy
- Sudder street
- Poster Boy
- Microbes


http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das
P.N.
2015-09-09 08:26:56 UTC
Permalink
Ja og Inderne er blevet helt vilde med at spise hamburgere.
Jahnu
2015-09-09 10:55:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by P.N.
Ja og Inderne er blevet helt vilde med at spise hamburgere.
Ikke destomindre er det forbudt MacDonalds i Indien at servere
burgere lavet af ko. De sælger Macchicken burgere i stedet.

HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER

The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989


The Hunger Argument

Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60
million.

Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if
Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million

Human beings in America: 243 million

Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by
U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80

Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95

Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99

How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds

Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 20.OOO

Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 165

Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56

Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16


The Environmental Argument

Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect

Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from
fossil fuels.

Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free
diet: 50 times more

Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75

Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising:
85

Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce
meat-centered diet: 260 million

Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds

Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S.
housecat.

Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55
sq.ft.

Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical
rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year


The Cancer Argument

Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week
vs. less than once a week: 4 times

For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or
more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs.
sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times


The Natural Resources Argument

Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.:
livestock portion.

Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to
float a destroyer.

Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25

Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500

Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not
subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound

Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no
longer subsidized: 89 dollars

Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a
meat-centered diet: 13

Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260

Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million

Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient
factory farming of meat: 34.5

Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8

Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present
meat-centered diet: 33


The Cholesterol Argument

Number of U.S. medical schools: 125

Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30

Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four
years in medical school: 25 hours

Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack

How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds

Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc.

Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc.

Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood
cholesterol if it is: normal

Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your
blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc.


The Antibiotic Argument

Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55

Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in
1960: 13

Percentage resistant in 1988: 91

Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of
antibiotics to livestock: ban

Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding
of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support


The Pesticide Argument

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains:
1

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits:
4

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy
products: 23

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55

Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs.
non meat-eating: 35 times higher

What USDA tells us: meat is inspected

Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin
chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004


The Ethical Argument

Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000

Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker

Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in
U.S:slaughterhouse worker

Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before
slaughter.: 1 cent

Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive


The Survival Argument

Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time
winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian

Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex

Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C.


Famous vegetarians:
-------------------------------
Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet
Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting

'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.'
--William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3


Have a look at my art -

http://youtu.be/e_ejv98XyL8 - Nature
http://youtu.be/eaQ0swHmvrA - Birdy
http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
http://youtu.be/YHcWgSevItk - Poster Boy
http://youtu.be/5_Q4HgqOVK4 - Microbes


http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das
Jahnu
2015-09-10 00:59:09 UTC
Permalink
Folk der spiser kartofler bliver blinde i halvtredsårsalderen...
If anyone wants to save the planet, all they have to do is just stop
eating meat. That's the single most important thing you can do. It's
staggering when you think about it. Vegetarianism takes care of so
many things in one shot: ecology, famine, cruelty.
~ Paul McCartney


Have a look at my art -

http://youtu.be/e_ejv98XyL8 - Nature
http://youtu.be/eaQ0swHmvrA - Birdy
http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
http://youtu.be/YHcWgSevItk - Poster Boy
http://youtu.be/5_Q4HgqOVK4 - Microbes


http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das
alexbo
2015-09-09 13:34:50 UTC
Permalink
"Jahnu" skrev

Heldigvis ingenting selv, men emnet er noget med kødproduktion.

Reelt har vi kun 3 muligheder, at dyrene spiser korn, at vi fyrer med det,
eller braklægger.

Tanken om at sultne i en anden del af verden sulter fordi vi fodrer dyr ikke
ret meget anderledes end at grunden til at de ikke har bil skyldes at vi har
i stor udstrækning har 2 biler pr husstand, eller at de mangler rent vand i
langtbortistan fordi vi bruger det til at skylle ud i toilettet.

Der mangler ikke mad i denne verden, der er nærmest alt for meget, derfor
skal bønderne have store tilskud for ikke at gå på røven.
Det siger sig selv at hvis man var sælger af en mangelvare kunne man umuligt
komme i økonomiske vanskeligheder.
Landbruget sælger en vare der er alt for meget af derfor skal den sælges så
billigt at det dårligt kan løbe rundt.
I Indien fodrer de oven i købet deres køer uden at spise dem, bare for at få
kornet brugt, de har næppe glæde af kornfyringsanlæg.

Herhjemme er vi godt med ang. kornfyring det vil på langt sigt hjælpe noget
på de store kornbjerge, hvis ikke dyrene spiste korn skulle vi fyre hele
sommeren.

mvh
Alex Christensen
Rado
2015-09-10 17:46:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by alexbo
"Jahnu" skrev
Heldigvis ingenting selv, men emnet er noget med kødproduktion.
Reelt har vi kun 3 muligheder, at dyrene spiser korn, at vi fyrer med det,
eller braklægger.
Eller producerer mindre korn. Dermed frigives der også arbejdskraft,
ressourcer og landområder der kan bruges til producere ting der er
mere brug for i stedet.
--
The simplest things are the greatest mysteries.
Jahnu
2015-09-11 11:28:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rado
Eller producerer mindre korn. Dermed frigives der også arbejdskraft,
ressourcer og landområder der kan bruges til producere ting der er
mere brug for i stedet.
Der anvendes kæmpe arealer verden over til at dyrke korn til at fodre
dyr med, som man så efterfølgende spiser. Det tager 10 kg
planteprotein til at fremstille 1 kg kødprotein.

Det siger jo sig selv, at kødproduktioner er et nærmest kriminelt
spild af naturens resurser. Disse forbrydelser, dvs. massedrab på
andre levende væsener, der oplever smerter og kærlighed til deres
afkom på lige for med mennesker, bliver vi i øjeblikket straffet af
naturen for.

Min åndelige mester blev i sin tid spurgt af en journalist, hvordan
han ville skabe fred i verden. Han svarede uden tøven, at det første
han ville gøre var, at nedlægge alle slagtehuse i verden.

As long as there are slaughter-houses, there will be battlefields. A
vegetarian diet is the acid test of humanitarian.

-- Leo Tolstoy

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Artsy#5948971823371194850


Have a look at my art -

http://youtu.be/e_ejv98XyL8 - Nature
http://youtu.be/eaQ0swHmvrA - Birdy
http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
http://youtu.be/YHcWgSevItk - Poster Boy
http://youtu.be/5_Q4HgqOVK4 - Microbes


http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das
Henrik Eriksen
2015-09-16 07:22:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rado
Post by alexbo
"Jahnu" skrev
Heldigvis ingenting selv, men emnet er noget med kødproduktion.
Reelt har vi kun 3 muligheder, at dyrene spiser korn, at vi fyrer med det,
eller braklægger.
Eller producerer mindre korn. Dermed frigives der også arbejdskraft,
ressourcer og landområder der kan bruges til producere ting der er
mere brug for i stedet.
Korrekt. iPhones for eksempel.
Eller det dér plasticlegetøj til Happy-Meals fra McDonalds.

Vi ved jo allesammen, at det er mangel på arbejdskraft der er vores
største problem...
Jahnu
2015-09-16 09:15:55 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:22:31 +0200, Henrik Eriksen
Post by Henrik Eriksen
Korrekt. iPhones for eksempel.
Eller det dér plasticlegetøj til Happy-Meals fra McDonalds.
Vi ved jo allesammen, at det er mangel på arbejdskraft der er vores
største problem...
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER

The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989


The Hunger Argument

Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60
million.

Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if
Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million

Human beings in America: 243 million

Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by
U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80

Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95

Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99

How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds

Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 20.OOO

Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 165

Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56

Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16


The Environmental Argument

Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect

Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from
fossil fuels.

Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free
diet: 50 times more

Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75

Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising:
85

Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce
meat-centered diet: 260 million

Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds

Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S.
housecat.

Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55
sq.ft.

Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical
rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year


The Cancer Argument

Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week
vs. less than once a week: 4 times

For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or
more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs.
sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times


The Natural Resources Argument

Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.:
livestock portion.

Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to
float a destroyer.

Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25

Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500

Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not
subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound

Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no
longer subsidized: 89 dollars

Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a
meat-centered diet: 13

Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260

Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million

Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient
factory farming of meat: 34.5

Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8

Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present
meat-centered diet: 33


The Cholesterol Argument

Number of U.S. medical schools: 125

Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30

Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four
years in medical school: 25 hours

Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack

How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds

Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc.

Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc.

Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood
cholesterol if it is: normal

Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your
blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc.


The Antibiotic Argument

Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55

Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in
1960: 13

Percentage resistant in 1988: 91

Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of
antibiotics to livestock: ban

Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding
of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support


The Pesticide Argument

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains:
1

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits:
4

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy
products: 23

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55

Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs.
non meat-eating: 35 times higher

What USDA tells us: meat is inspected

Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin
chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004


The Ethical Argument

Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000

Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker

Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in
U.S:slaughterhouse worker

Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before
slaughter.: 1 cent

Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive


The Survival Argument

Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time
winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian

Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex

Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C.


Famous vegetarians:
-------------------------------
Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet
Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting

'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.'
--William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3


Have a look at my art -

http://youtu.be/e_ejv98XyL8 - Nature
http://youtu.be/eaQ0swHmvrA - Birdy
http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
http://youtu.be/YHcWgSevItk - Poster Boy
http://youtu.be/5_Q4HgqOVK4 - Microbes


http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das
alexbo
2015-09-16 15:46:51 UTC
Permalink
"Jahnu" skrev
Post by Jahnu
Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 20.OOO
Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 165
Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16
Jeg er så ikke klar over om dette betyder at der går 20.000 pound potatoes
til 165 pound beef
eller at der kun kan dyrkes 165x16 = 2640 pound grain and soybeans på en
acre.
For det betyder vel næppe at man dyrker beef direkte på marken, selv om
opsætningen giver indtryk af en direkte sammenligning mellem udbytte af en
acre.

Endnu mere mærkeligt er det når man regner med at tab på 99%
Post by Jahnu
Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99
Så burde man jo kun få 1 pound beef fra 100 pound grain og soybeans.
Proteinindholdet er jo nogenlunde ens.

Men det ser i hvert fald ud til at det ikke kan betale sig at fodre med
kartofler, der skal jo tilsyneladende ca 100 tons kartofter til en ko i
voksen størrelse.

mvh
Alex Christensen
Jahnu
2015-09-16 19:34:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by alexbo
Jeg er så ikke klar over om dette betyder at der går 20.000 pound potatoes
til 165 pound beef
eller at der kun kan dyrkes 165x16 = 2640 pound grain and soybeans på en
acre.
For det betyder vel næppe at man dyrker beef direkte på marken, selv om
opsætningen giver indtryk af en direkte sammenligning mellem udbytte af en
acre.
Det, det betyder, er, at det tager 10 kg. plante protein at fremstille
1 kg kød protein. Det betyder med andre ord et total spild af naturens
resurser at spise kød.
Post by alexbo
Endnu mere mærkeligt er det når man regner med at tab på 99%
Post by Jahnu
Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99
Så burde man jo kun få 1 pound beef fra 100 pound grain og soybeans.
Proteinindholdet er jo nogenlunde ens.
Men det ser i hvert fald ud til at det ikke kan betale sig at fodre med
kartofler, der skal jo tilsyneladende ca 100 tons kartofter til en ko i
voksen størrelse.
Livsstilen i den moderne Coca-cola kultur med dagligt at spise kød
begyndte først da kølevognen blev opfundet. I gamle dage i vesten
spiste folk kun kød ved særlige lejligheder, da det simpelthen ikke
kunne betale sig at slagte sine dyr.

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"
-Albert Einstein

Vegetarian food leaves a deep impression on our nature. If the whole
world adopts vegetarianism, it can change the destiny of humankind.
~ Albert Einstein


Have a look at my art -

http://youtu.be/e_ejv98XyL8 - Nature
http://youtu.be/eaQ0swHmvrA - Birdy
http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
http://youtu.be/YHcWgSevItk - Poster Boy
http://youtu.be/5_Q4HgqOVK4 - Microbes


http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das
alexbo
2015-09-16 20:52:11 UTC
Permalink
"Jahnu" skrev
Post by Jahnu
Det, det betyder, er, at det tager 10 kg. plante protein at fremstille
1 kg kød protein
Så er der nogen der ikke kan regne.
Post by Jahnu
Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 20.OOO
Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 165
mvh
Alex Christensen
Jahnu
2015-09-17 01:12:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by alexbo
"Jahnu" skrev
Post by Jahnu
Det, det betyder, er, at det tager 10 kg. plante protein at fremstille
1 kg kød protein
Så er der nogen der ikke kan regne.
Post by Jahnu
Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 20.OOO
Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 165
Nåh, pas på du ikke begynder at græde.

Pointen er stadigvæk, at ligegyldigt hvor meget du kværulerer og hyler
op og kommer med latterlige indvendingen, så er den globale
kødproduktion lig med gennemført ondskab, der spilder naturens
resurser i vanvittig grad og masse-myrder andre levende væsener på
samlebånd.

Compassion for animals is intimately connected with goodness of
character, and it may be confidently asserted that he who is cruel to
animals cannot be a good man” – Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher


Have a look at my art -

- Planet Plant
http://youtu.be/e_ejv98XyL8 - Nature
http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
http://youtu.be/YHcWgSevItk - Poster Boy
http://youtu.be/5_Q4HgqOVK4 - Microbes


http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das
alexbo
2015-09-17 06:22:33 UTC
Permalink
"Jahnu" skrev
Post by Jahnu
Pointen er stadigvæk,
Pointen er at når man går dine oplysninger efter i sømmene fremstår de
latterligt dumme.

mvh
Alex Christensen
Jahnu
2015-09-17 11:41:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by alexbo
Pointen er at når man går dine oplysninger efter i sømmene fremstår de
latterligt dumme.
Det er jeg glad for, at du siger. Det er et godt tegn. I det øjeblik
et fjols som dig finder mig forståelig, så er jeg først ude og skide.

Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all
evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still
savages. – Thomas A. Edison, inventor and scientist


Have a look at my art -

http://youtu.be/y4F6tkoYZok - Planet Plant
http://youtu.be/e_ejv98XyL8 - Nature
http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
http://youtu.be/YHcWgSevItk - Poster Boy
http://youtu.be/5_Q4HgqOVK4 - Microbes


http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

Fortsæt læsning på narkive:
Loading...