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What's Western philosophy?
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Jahnu
2021-07-11 00:48:22 UTC
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No Western philosophy addresses the soul, only the body. As far as I
know, no Western philosopher, all the way back to the Greeks, has
explained the difference between the body and the soul.

The Vedic philosophy represents the original philosophy of the East,
and addresses the soul. In Bhagavad Gita, God Himself elaborately
explains about the soul as opposed to the body.

Western philosophy is like a disputation on the clothes a person
wears, where as the Vedic philosophy is a disputation on the person
wearing the clothes.

The people of the Abrahamic religions are so utterly fixed in their
bodily identities. They are entirely bereft of any spiritual knowledge
or understanding.

"The religion and philosophy of the Hebrews are those of a wilder and
ruder tribe, wanting the civility and intellectual refinements and
subtlety of Vedic culture." - Henry David Thoreau

Krishna says:

For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been,
does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing,
undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain. -Bg 2.20
EXLEX
2021-07-11 01:18:08 UTC
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What's Western philosophy?
Relating to what really exist.




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2021-07-11 09:08:41 UTC
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krisna siger altså nutid , kan du ikke lige linke til en
lydoptagelse?
Post by Jahnu
For the soul there is never birth nor death.
kan du ikke lige påvise at en sjæl er virkelig?
EXLEX
2021-07-11 13:46:25 UTC
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krisna siger altså nutid , kan du ikke lige linke til en
lydoptagelse?
Post by Jahnu
For the soul there is never birth nor death.
kan du ikke lige påvise at en sjæl er virkelig?
Hvis du har held med at få et fornuftigt svar på dét spørgsmål, kan du
så ikke luske lidt detaljer ud af ham om mål, vægt og rumfang på en
sådan tingest?

...og kan man holde den fast med nåle på et sommerfuglebræt?




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2021-07-11 15:18:13 UTC
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Post by @
krisna siger altså nutid , kan du ikke lige linke til en
lydoptagelse?
Post by Jahnu
For the soul there is never birth nor death.
kan du ikke lige påvise at en sjæl er virkelig?
Hvis du har held med at få et fornuftigt svar på dét spørgsmål, kan du
så ikke luske lidt detaljer ud af ham om mål, vægt og rumfang på en
sådan tingest?
ØHHH

vil du ikke hellere at jeg viser dig hvordan man lænser en båd med en
tennisketcher?
Post by EXLEX
...og kan man holde den fast med nåle på et sommerfuglebræt?
EXLEX
2021-07-11 16:45:42 UTC
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krisna siger altså nutid , kan du ikke lige linke til en
lydoptagelse?
Post by Jahnu
For the soul there is never birth nor death.
kan du ikke lige påvise at en sjæl er virkelig?
Hvis du har held med at få et fornuftigt svar på dét spørgsmål, kan du
så ikke luske lidt detaljer ud af ham om mål, vægt og rumfang på en
sådan tingest?
ØHHH
vil du ikke hellere at jeg viser dig hvordan man lænser en båd med en
tennisketcher?
Det ville der formodenligt være mere perspektiv i, men hvis jeg skal
fange en af de dér spøgelsesdimser, så må jeg jo vide, hvor stor kassen
skal være...
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Post by EXLEX
...og kan man holde den fast med nåle på et sommerfuglebræt?
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Jahnu
2021-07-12 02:50:23 UTC
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kan du ikke lige påvise at en sjæl er virkelig?
Det faktum, at du er bevidst, påviser sjælen. Hvis du er en af de
tumber, der tror bevidsthed kommer fra kemi eller biologi, kan du så
ikke lige bevise det?

"Sjælen er atomisk i størelse og kan opfattes gennem fuldkommen
intelligens. Denne atomiske sjæl flyder i de fem slags (indre)
luftstrømme (prana, apana, vyana, samana og udana), befinder sig i
hjerteregionen, og spreder sin indflydelse over hele kroppen på de
legemeliggjorte væsener. Når sjælen er blevet renset for besmittelsen
af de fem slags materielle energistrømme kommer dens åndelige
indflydelse til udtryk"

(Mundaka Upanishad 3.1.9)
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2021-07-12 16:23:22 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
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kan du ikke lige påvise at en sjæl er virkelig?
Det faktum, at du er bevidst, påviser sjælen.
det påviser intet

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Post by Jahnu
"Sjælen er atomisk i størelse og kan opfattes gennem fuldkommen
intelligens. Denne atomiske sjæl flyder i de fem slags (indre)
luftstrømme (prana, apana, vyana, samana og udana), befinder sig i
hjerteregionen, og spreder sin indflydelse over hele kroppen på de
legemeliggjorte væsener. Når sjælen er blevet renset for besmittelsen
af de fem slags materielle energistrømme kommer dens åndelige
indflydelse til udtryk"
(Mundaka Upanishad 3.1.9)
<<<<<<<

og du vedbliver med at bringer citater, hvorfor?

har du intet selv?
Jahnu
2021-07-14 10:56:26 UTC
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det påviser intet
Du er jo faktisk snotdum. Ingen med en hjerne tror på, at bevidsthed
er et resutat af kemi og biologi.

"From my earliest training as a scientist I was very strongly
brainwashed to believe that science cannot be consistent with any kind
of deliberate creation. That notion has had to be painfully shed. I am
quite uncomfortable in this situation, the state of mind I now find
myself in. But there is no logical way out of it. I now find myself
driven to this position by logic. There is no other way in which we
can understand the precise ordering of the chemicals of life except to
invoke the creations on a cosmic scale. . . We were hoping as
scientists that there would be a way round our conclusion, but there
isn’t."

--Sir Frederick Hoyle and Chandra Wickramsinghe, There Must Be A God,
Daily Express, Aug. 14, 1981. & Hoyle On Evolution. Nature, Nov. 12,
1981, 105
EXLEX
2021-07-14 23:49:23 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
"From my earliest training as a scientist I was very strongly
brainwashed to believe that science cannot be consistent with any kind
of deliberate creation. That notion has had to be painfully shed. I am
quite uncomfortable in this situation, the state of mind I now find
myself in. But there is no logical way out of it. I now find myself
driven to this position by logic. There is no other way in which we
can understand the precise ordering of the chemicals of life except to
invoke the creations on a cosmic scale. . . We were hoping as
scientists that there would be a way round our conclusion, but there
isn’t."
--Sir Frederick Hoyle and Chandra Wickramsinghe, There Must Be A God,
Daily Express, Aug. 14, 1981. & Hoyle On Evolution. Nature, Nov. 12,
1981, 105
Hvad stodderen reelt siger er :

"Jeg kan ikke se, og jeg har ikke fantasi til, at se nogen vej omkring
det --- derfor er der ikke nogen."

Og han kalder sig selv "videnskabsmand"????

*DUMPET* !!
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Jahnu
2021-07-16 02:50:28 UTC
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Hvad du glemmer, Flæskekaj, er at stodderen du omtaler er unendeligt
mere intelligent og berømt end en stakkels bonderøv som dig.

Du er jo nærmest ufattelig snotdum at høre på.

Vishnu siger:

Når nogen nærer modvilje mod halvguderne, der er repræsentanter for
Guddommens Højeste Personlighed, mod Vedaerne, der giver viden, mod
køerne, mod brahminerne, Vaishnava'erne, og yderst set mod Mig, den
Højeste Personlige Guddom, vil en sådan person samt hele hans
civilisation hurtigt blive udryddet.

--Srimad Bhagavatam 7.4.27
EXLEX
2021-07-16 07:34:12 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
Hvad du glemmer, Flæskekaj, er at stodderen du omtaler er unendeligt
mere intelligent og berømt end en stakkels bonderøv som dig.
Hvad du synes ikke at forstå er, at fordi nogen har forstand og en
titel, så gør det dem hverken fejlfri eller ude af stand til at sige
noget vrøvl - eller begå fejltagelser.

Og stodderen fejler fortsat i alm. videnskabelig anskuelse.
Det burde han selv have indset - og de som har nogen forstand
overhovedet, burde let kunne indse det samme.

*DUMPET !!*
Post by Jahnu
Når nogen nærer modvilje mod halvguderne, der er repræsentanter for
Guddommens Højeste Personlighed, mod Vedaerne, der giver viden, mod
køerne, mod brahminerne, Vaishnava'erne, og yderst set mod Mig, den
Højeste Personlige Guddom, vil en sådan person samt hele hans
civilisation hurtigt blive udryddet.
--Srimad Bhagavatam 7.4.27
EXLEX siger :

Når nogen "guddom" truer ikke-tilhængere og deres civilisation med
"hurtig udryddelse", og derefter sidder med tommelfingrene oppe i røven
de næste 5000 år - vil det være sikkert at antage, at bemeldte "guddom"
kun formår at komme med tomme trusler, og ikke besidder guddommelig status.

--- Usenet 16.07.2021 ---




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EXLEX
2021-07-17 23:35:59 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
Når nogen nærer modvilje mod halvguderne, der er repræsentanter for
Guddommens Højeste Personlighed, mod Vedaerne, der giver viden, mod
køerne, mod brahminerne, Vaishnava'erne, og yderst set mod Mig, den
Højeste Personlige Guddom, vil en sådan person samt hele hans
civilisation hurtigt blive udryddet.
EXLEX siger :

Når nogen "guddom" truer ikke-tilhængere og deres civilisation med
"hurtig udryddelse", og derefter sidder med tommelfingrene oppe i røven
de næste 5000 år - vil det være sikkert at antage, at bemeldte "guddom"
kun formår at komme med tomme trusler, og ikke besidder guddommelig status.

--- Usenet 16.07.2021 ---
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Jahnu
2021-07-19 03:53:00 UTC
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EXLEX siger bla bla bla
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"

--Albert Einstein

Krishna siger:

Min kære Arjuna, eftersom du aldrig er misundelig på Mig, vil Jeg
hermed give dig denne mest fortrolige kundskab og indsigt. Når du
kender den, vil du blive frigjort for alle den materielle eksistens
elendigheder. (Bg. 9.1)

Denne viden er kongen over al uddannelse og den mest fortrolige af
alle hemmeligheder. Det er den reneste viden, og eftersom den giver en
direkte opfattelse af selvet gennem indsigt, er det religionens
fuldkommenhed. Den varer evigt og udføres med glæde. (Bg. 9.2)
EXLEX
2021-07-19 21:32:03 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"
--Albert Einstein
Hvis jeg ønsker råd om ernæring, så henter jeg det ikke hos Albert.

På samme vis som mange af dine øvrige citater - er der her tale om folk
med ekspertise, bare ikke indenfor emnet de udtaler sig om.
- eller som den kære Hoyle, som begik en videnskabelig fadæse.
Det er mildt sagt ikke seriøst.

Krista vrøvler bare videre...
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Jahnu
2021-07-20 02:35:50 UTC
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Post by EXLEX
Hvis jeg ønsker råd om ernæring, så henter jeg det ikke hos Albert.
Selvfølgelig gør du ikke det, flæskekaj. Det er helt klart ikke
tilstede i dit afstumpede verdensbilled at søge råd og vejledning fra
folk, der er dig overlegne tankevirksomhed og viden.

HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER

The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989



The Hunger Argument

Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60
million.

Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if
Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million

Human beings in America: 243 million

Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by
U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80

Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95

Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99

How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds

Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 20.OOO

Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 165

Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56

Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16



The Environmental Argument

Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect

Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from
fossil fuels.

Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free
diet: 50 times more

Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75

Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising:
85

Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce
meat-centered diet: 260 million

Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds

Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S.
housecat.

Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55
sq.ft.

Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical
rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year



The Cancer Argument

Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week
vs. less than once a week: 4 times

For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or
more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs.
sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times



The Natural Resources Argument

Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.:
livestock portion.

Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to
float a destroyer.

Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25

Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500

Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not
subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound

Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no
longer subsidized: 89 dollars

Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a
meat-centered diet: 13

Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260

Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million

Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient
factory farming of meat: 34.5

Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8

Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present
meat-centered diet: 33



The Cholesterol Argument

Number of U.S. medical schools: 125

Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30

Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four
years in medical school: 25 hours

Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack

How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds

Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc.

Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc.

Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood
cholesterol if it is: normal

Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your
blood cholesterol is 'normal': over 50 perc.



The Antibiotic Argument

Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55

Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in
1960: 13

Percentage resistant in 1988: 91

Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of
antibiotics to livestock: ban

Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding
of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support


The Pesticide Argument

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains:
1

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits:
4

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy
products: 23

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55

Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs.
non meat-eating: 35 times higher

What USDA tells us: meat is inspected

Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin
chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004



The Ethical Argument

Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000

Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker

Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in U.S:
slaughterhouse worker

Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before
slaughter.: 1 cent

Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive
The Survival Argument

Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time
winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian

Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex

Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C.


Famous pop stars - vegetarians:
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Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet
Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting

'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.'
--William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3

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