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What are the avantages to being wealthy?
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Jahnu
2020-07-29 01:37:03 UTC
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It is said that bad karma hits in three basic ways - poverty, disease,
and being harassed by the state. The advantage of being wealthy is
that there is no suffering from poverty. There are other advantages to
being wealthy - it’s easier to have one’a desires fulfilled. As we all
know, wealth can’t buy happiness, but it can buy lots of
sense-gratification, which is an advantage to those who confuse
sense-gratification with happiness.

Actually, the bottom line in the material world is suffering, for the
simple reason that everything ends in old age, disease and death. Not
all the wealth in the world can buy us more time, or make us more
happy than we are allotted by our karma.

The only way to escape the fundamental suffering of living in a
material body, is to cultivate spiritual knowledge. Spiritual
knowledge begins with knowing the difference between matter and spirit
- the difference between the body and the self.

Krishna says:

My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)

Only by knowing oneself as an eternal particle of consciousness, can
one gain real happiness. Real happiness is a constant fact. Real
happiness is not constantly being interrupted by misery. People of the
modern world are not educated in real happiness.

In the modern consumer civilization people are indoctrinated into
believing that sense-enjoyment will create happiness for them. Indeed,
bodily and mental enjoyments are the only types of happiness people
know of. But sense-enjoyment is merely a temporary pause in the basic
suffering of the body and mind.

Sex, for instance, is regarded by most people to be the highest joy
available. But sex-enjoyment are merely an attempt to escape the
suffering of being without sex. It's misery to live in forced
celibacy. Anyone who has reached puberty can testify to that.

Or eating. To eat is considered one of life's major enjoyments. But
actually, to eat is merely an attempt to escape the suffering of
hunger. People of the Western culture don't know what it means to
suffer from famine, but it is a great suffering experienced by many
people around the world.

And that's how it is with most of the enjoyment we seek. Eating,
sleeping, mating, and defending are the four activities humans have in
common with all other living entities. In the modern world, however,
it has become the foremost goal to fulfill and satisfy these four
needs.

They have been made the standard of happiness and enjoyment in life.
What do we do together with our loved ones, with our family and
friends? We eat, we sleep, we mate, and we defend. The entire
civilization revolves around these four activities. That's an animal
civilization. Humans are expected to have a higher goal in life than
merely satisfying basic, bodily and mental urges.

"Both animals and men share the activities of eating, sleeping, mating
and defending. But the special property of the humans is that they are
able to engage in spiritual life. Therefore without spiritual life,
humans are on the level of animals." --Hitopadesa

Millions of tons of iron are extracted from the earth to make pots,
knives and forks. Whole forests are cut down to make serviettes and
napkins. Add to that the industrial setup to manufacture cups and
glasses etc. And for sleeping - beds, mattresses, pillows, quilts,
covers, the list goes on and on. A massive enterprise - all of it,
just to eat and sleep. What to speak of the meat-industry, the second
largest industry in the world, only topped by the defense industry.

So the global culture is nothing more than one giant industrial setup
to fulfill four basic bodily needs. The fact is that the modern,
global civilization is an exploitative civilization that rapes and
plunders nature, and puts her inhabitants through untold suffering.
And it’s proudly called the industrialized, developed world.

Anyway, the happiness that can be obtained by surrendering to
Krishna's enjoyment is so far superior to the happiness that can be
squeezed out of matter, that sex with the most beautiful women become
like broken glass in comparison.

And who or what is to be blamed for the fact that the modern world
runs on animal principles? Atheism. Atheism reduces the human being to
nothing more than an animal.

In reality, the human life-form is a unique opportunity for the soul
to realize its real identity. The soul cannot realize itself in any
other life-form. In other forms of life, the soul is simply absorbed
in eating, sleeping, mating, and defending. The human form of life is
a waste of time for the soul, if it is not used to learn about one's
relation to Krishna.

Krishna should be the only center. He is the beloved of the soul. When
we love Krishna, who is the root of everything, we automatically love
all His parts and parcels - all other living entities.

It's like watering a tree. One does not benefit a tree by pouring
water on its every leaf, twig and branch. Water is poured on the root.
Then the whole tree is nourished. In the same way all living entities
are benefited and nourished when one serves Krishna - the root of all
existence.

Lord Brahma says:

"One attains the human form of life after transmigrating through
8,400,000 species by the process of gradual evolution. That human life
is spoiled for those conceited fools who do not take shelter of the
lotus feet of Govinda."

--Brahma-vaivarta Purana
EXLEX
2020-07-29 22:55:58 UTC
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The *aDvantages* of being wealthy are many.

Most important is the freedom it gives you.




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Jahnu
2020-07-30 05:32:57 UTC
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Post by EXLEX
The *aDvantages* of being wealthy are many.
Most important is the freedom it gives you.
True, it gives more freedom... ie. until you get sick, old and die.

"Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of Nature. And it is
because in the last analysis we ourselves are part of the mystery we
are trying to olve." -- Max Planck
EXLEX
2020-07-30 06:22:43 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
Post by EXLEX
The *aDvantages* of being wealthy are many.
Most important is the freedom it gives you.
True, it gives more freedom... ie. until you get sick, old and die.
Also true.
But that goes for any "advantage".




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Jahnu
2020-07-31 02:54:24 UTC
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Post by EXLEX
Also true.
But that goes for any "advantage".
As long as there are slaughter-houses, there will be battlefields. A
vegetarian diet is the acid test of humanitarian.

-- Leo Tolstoy
EXLEX
2020-07-31 08:26:47 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
Post by EXLEX
Also true.
But that goes for any "advantage".
As long as there are slaughter-houses, there will be battlefields. A
vegetarian diet is the acid test of humanitarian.
-- Leo Tolstoy
Maybe you should rattle your computer a bit - the very same quote seems
to be stuck inside it.

Contrary to popular belief, it does not become truth if repeated often
enough.




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Jahnu
2020-08-01 01:38:03 UTC
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Maybe Ah should rattle mah computer a bit - the very same quote seems
to be stuck inside it.
Contrary to popular belief, it does not become truth if repeated often
enough.
In Bhagavad Gita, Krishna states that the mind is one His eight
separated, material elements. Because of being temporary, rather than
eternal, the material world is in the category of illusion, or
unreality. Thus, any problems in the mind are illusory. Even though
the problems of the mind are illusory, still, these problems will
cause suffering.

The main problem of the mind is a lack of spiritual understanding. As
long as the mind identifies with the body and its culture, there are
going to be problems.

All suffering is a result of ignorance of one’s real self. Actually,
for the soul there is no suffering, only the body and mind suffer.

When one becomes aware of one’s real self and its relation to God, all
suffering will vanish, for all suffering stem from the body and mind.
The body and the mind are like a vehicle for the soul. Even though the
suffering is illusory, because of attachment to the body and mind, the
soul experiences suffering.

Krishna says:

A man must elevate himself by his own mind, not degrade himself. The
mind is the friend of the conditioned soul, and his enemy as well. —Bg
6.5

For him who has conquered the mind, the mind is the best of friends;
but for one who has failed to do so, his very mind will be the
greatest enemy. —Bg 6.6
EXLEX
2020-08-01 06:29:55 UTC
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Maybe Ah should rattle mah computer a bit - the very same quote seems
to be stuck inside it.
Contrary to popular belief, it does not become truth if repeated often
enough.
Maybe you should keep up the rattling, another message seems stuck now.




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Jahnu
2020-08-02 00:17:16 UTC
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Post by EXLEX
Maybe you should keep up the rattling, another message seems stuck now.
Just like water and oil cannot be combined, there is no combination of
the mind and soul. The soul is asango hy ayam purusah - never in
contact with matter. Rather, the soul observes the world through the
mind. It's like observing something through colored glasses. The
picture gets distorted. The mind works like a filter for the soul.
It's like a computer. The body is like the hardware, the mind is like
the software, and the self (or the soul) is the user. The mind is like
a soft-ware to be used by the soul to interact with material nature.
The more the mind is contaminated by materialism, the more the soul
will have a distorted picture of the world. And the more the mind is
purified by spiritual practice, the more the soul will be in touch
with reality.

In the present age of Kali, people are unhappy and frustrated because
they have created a mechanistic, impersonal conception of nature.
People are not in touch with themselves as souls, they only know
themselves as their body and mind.

Krishna says:

One who is not connected with the Supreme [in Krishna consciousness]
can have neither transcendental intelligence nor a steady mind,
without which there is no possibility of peace. And how can there be
any happiness without peace? (Bg. 2.66)

According to the Vedic Version it is our collective psyche that forms
the material world. By using one's mind according to the directions of
God, like they are given in Bhagavad Gita, one can create optimal
living conditions in the world for oneself as well as for everyone
else. This is done by understanding that nature is a living organism.
In stead, we have created a civilization where nature is regarded as
dead matter, Rather than a personality, nature is regarded as a
machine.

The main problem in the world today is a general lack of
God-consciousness.

And the only solution to this proble is to introduce a process that
will revive the consciousness to its original state of
Krishna-consciousness.

In the present age of darkness this is done by chanting the Hare
Krishna mantra.

Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare
Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare


"This mantra, consisting of 16 words and 32 syllables, is the only
means against evil in the age of Kali. After searching through all the
Vedic literature, one cannot find a method of religion more sublime
for this age than the chanting of Hare Krishna."

--- Kali-santarana Upanishad
EXLEX
2020-08-02 21:57:44 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
Post by EXLEX
Maybe you should keep up the rattling, another message seems stuck now.
Just like water and oil cannot be combined, there is no combination of
the mind and soul.
So basicly your mind is stuck.




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Jahnu
2020-08-02 23:30:36 UTC
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So basicly, a piece of cadaver got stuck in my insides.
That's why I stink like shit.
In relation to the animals, all people are Nazis; for the animals, it
is an eternal Treblinka. ---Isaac Bashevis Singer (1902-1991).

HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER

The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989



The Hunger Argument

Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60
million.

Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if
Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million

Human beings in America: 243 million

Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by
U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80

Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95

Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99

How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds

Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 20.OOO

Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 165

Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56

Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16



The Environmental Argument

Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect

Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from
fossil fuels.

Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free
diet: 50 times more

Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75

Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising:
85

Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce
meat-centered diet: 260 million

Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds

Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S.
housecat.

Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55
sq.ft.

Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical
rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year



The Cancer Argument

Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week
vs. less than once a week: 4 times

For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or
more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs.
sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times



The Natural Resources Argument

Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.:
livestock portion.

Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to
float a destroyer.

Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25

Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500

Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not
subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound

Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no
longer subsidized: 89 dollars

Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a
meat-centered diet: 13

Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260

Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million

Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient
factory farming of meat: 34.5

Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8

Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present
meat-centered diet: 33



The Cholesterol Argument

Number of U.S. medical schools: 125

Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30

Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four
years in medical school: 25 hours

Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack

How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds

Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc.

Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc.

Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood
cholesterol if it is: normal

Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your
blood cholesterol is 'normal': over 50 perc.



The Antibiotic Argument

Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55

Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in
1960: 13

Percentage resistant in 1988: 91

Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of
antibiotics to livestock: ban

Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding
of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support


The Pesticide Argument

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains:
1

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits:
4

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy
products: 23

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55

Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs.
non meat-eating: 35 times higher

What USDA tells us: meat is inspected

Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin
chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004



The Ethical Argument

Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000

Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker

Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in U.S:
slaughterhouse worker

Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before
slaughter.: 1 cent

Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive
The Survival Argument

Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time
winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian

Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex

Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C.


Famous pop stars - vegetarians:
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Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet
Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting

'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.'
--William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3
EXLEX
2020-08-03 22:17:19 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
So basicly, a piece of cadaver got stuck in my insides.
That's why I stink like shit.
Aaah still dishonest and fabricating quotes..
The true way to know a man who has all the right arguments.
Heheheh
Post by Jahnu
In relation to the animals, all people are Nazis; for the animals, it
is an eternal Treblinka. ---Isaac Bashevis Singer (1902-1991).
Just like the vegetarian world is eternal treblika for the plants?
Post by Jahnu
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
Easy - don't start.
...and then you can keep telling yourself that you "won".




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Jahnu
2020-08-06 00:50:59 UTC
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Post by EXLEX
Easy - don't start.
...and then you can keep telling yourself that you "won".
Kødindustrien er rendyrket ondskab, og den vigtigste årsag til at
naturen i øjeblikket straffer menneskeheden.

Verden er ad helvede til, hvis man ikke er lykkelig. Så er det
ligemeget hvor godt andre har det. Hvis DU ikke har det godt, så er
det ad helvede til. Og i det moderne samfund lærer folk ikke hvordan,
de kan formilde og omgås naturen, så den opfylder deres ønsker, og de
får det godt. De tror, de kan betvinge naturen med teknologi. Men
naturen kan ikke betvinges med teknologi.

Naturen kan kun betvinges gennem psykisk kraft. Naturen er en psyke,
et levende væsen, en person. Hvis vi omgås med hende som om hun var
død materie, så omgås hun med os som om, vi var død materie. Hvilket
vi i så fald også er, for hvis vi kun er bevidste om vores krop og
dens kultur, så er vi så godt som døde indeni. Så er vi ikke bedre end
hunde og katte eller kakkelakker. Naturen er en gudinde, en kvinde. Vi
kalder hende endda moder jord. Og vi ved alle hvilket helvedes hyr,
man får, hvis vi ikke behandler vores kvinder ordentligt.

Når bevidstheden ikke ser sig selv og handler udelukkende af lyst, er
den på et lavt udviklingstrin. Ateistisk bevidsthed er en begrænsning
af bevidstheden, fordi man er ubevidst om den personlige dimension i
tilværelsen. Man ser alting som ting. Man ser sig selv som en ting.
Man er blot nogle atomer, der lige fandt sammen i den rigtige
kombination for at danne bevidsthed.

For en ateist er naturen bare en ting, man kan udvinde resurser fra.
For en person i åndelig bevidsthed er naturen en gudinde, man ærer og
respekterer. Hvis man ikke gør det, bliver hun meget vred, og når
naturen bliver vred, går det af helvede til. Det er ikke et spørgsmål
om tro. Det er simpelthen et beviseligt faktum, at når vi behandler
naturen dårligt, får det det skadelige konsekvenser.

Det spiller simpelthen ingen rolle hvad man kalder sig selv - kristen,
hindu, ateist eller socialdemokrat - hvis man ikke følger naturens
regler (som de er beskrevet i Vedaerne), så går det ad helvede til, og
ikke alverdens teknologi vil kunne redde os. Det eneste, der kan redde
os, er i det mindste at udvikle en holistisk bevidsthed. Hvis man ikke
kan acceptere Krishna som den Højeste, kan man i det mindste acceptere
et holistisk livssyn. Et holistisk livssyn, er hvor man ser alle
levende væsener, inklusive sig selv, som dele af den samme helhed.
Hvis man påfører et andet levende væsen smerte, skader man sig selv,
for man er dele af den samme helhed.

De fleste moderne mennesker er ateister. Selvom de kalder sig
alverdens ting som kristne, hinduer, buddhister, jøder, muslimer osv,
har de ingen åndelig forståelse. De er ikke selvrealiserede, for de
ser ikke deres egen bevidsthed. de ser kun deres tanker, følelser,
aversioner, tilknytninger osv. De har ikke engang en holistisk
forståelse, eller hvis de har den, så handler de ikke på den, men
hvorom alting er, så er det et sygdomstegn i et samfund, når
flertallet af mennesker er materialister og ateister.

Når flertallet i samfundet behandler naturen som en ting i stedet for
som en person, så straffer naturen os for vore forbrydelser i form af
katastrofer og sygdom og alskens elendigheder. Det er det scenario vi
befinder os i lige nu. Kun folk, der lever i uvidenhed om deres egen
bevidsthed, kan ikke indse dette indlysende faktum, og fordi de er i
flertal, går samfundet ad helvede til.

Det eneste, man kan gøre, for at lave om på det, er at lave om på sig
selv. Man kan ikke lave om på andre mennesker og man kan heller ikke
lave om på verden. Det eneste, man kan lave om på, er sig selv. Hvis
man forbliver i ateistisk bevidsthed, gør man skade på sig selv, for
man sænker sin bevidsthed ned på et lavere niveau, et niveau hvor
alting er focuseret på kroppen og kroppens behov.

Ateistisk bevidsthed er kun to trin over dyrebevidsthed. På den
evolutionære skala er der 4 stadier af bevidsthed - dyrebevidsthed,
primitiv menneskelig bevidsthed, civiliseret bevidsthed, og
guddommelig bevidsthed. I civiliseret bevidsthed kan man enten være
ateist eller religiøs, men alle følger de samme moralske regler og har
de samme værdier, der går ud på at udnytte naturen for sin egen
nydelse. Indenfor guddommelig bevidsthed findes også flere
gradueringer.

I den ene ende af skalaen er der holistisk helhedsbevidsthed, og i den
anden er der krishnabevidsthed. Krishna-bevidsthed betyder, at man er
bevidst om det Højeste væsen, og befinder sig i den proces, der
gradvist tillader en at opgive sin selviskhed og overgive sig til
Krishnas nydelse.

I åndelig bevidsthed er alting focuseret på Krishna. Hvis alle levende
væsener kan focusere deres bevidsthed på Krishna, bliver de helt
lykkelige og tilfredse... det er garanteret. Krishna garanterer
personligt dette. I denne tid er den højeste bevidsthed blevet gjort
let tilgængelig, fordi Gud er kærlig mod sine forvildede dele, og Han
ved godt at folk er extra dumme og uintelligente i Kaliyuga - den
nuværende tidsalder af strid og hykleri - så Han har sendt sit navn og
sagt, at simpelthen ved blot at udtale det navn, Krishna, kan man opnå
befrielse fra lidelse i den materielle verden.

Det er i virkeligheden det, alle længes efter, men pga. af fordomme og
indokrinering, tror man, at man kan lykkelig på anden måde. Men der er
ingen anden måde at blive lykkelig på, end ved at opgive sit falske
ego (krops og sinds egoet)og overgive sig til Krishnas kærlighed.

I åndelig bevidsthed bliver man lykkelig ved at lade sin sjæl blive
nydt af Krishna, og i materiel bevidsthed bliver man lykkelig ved at
nyde sin krop og sind.

Alt dette, jeg har beskrevet for jer, har intet med tro at gøre. Det
er noget, man kan vide noget om. Det er noget man kan undersøge og få
bekræftiget. Hvis det er folk imod at kalde det Krishna, kan de bare
kalde det noget andet, men sandheden er, at hvis hver enkel person
ikke tager ansvar for at udvikle sin bevidsthed mod højere niveauer,
nu når han eller hun har chancen i den menneskelige livsform, så vil
man af naturen blive sat ned i en lavere livsform i sit næste liv.
Spise, sove, parre sig og forsvare sig kan sjælen gøre i en hvilken
som helst livsform. Det er kun i den menneskelige livsform at sjælen
kan forstå Gud. Hvis man ikke bruger sin menneskelige livsform til at
forstå Gud, så signalerer man til naturen, at man ikke behøver
at være menneske, og man vil blive sat tilbage i udviklingsforløbet.

Krishna siger:

De, der således er forvirrede, tiltrækkes af dæmoniske og ateistiske
anskuelser. I denne vildledte tilstand, bliver alle deres håb om
befrielse, deres frugtstræbende handlinger, og deres udvikling af
viden altsammen forpurrede. (Bg. 9.12)

Man opnår den menneskelige livsform efter gennem den evolutionære
proces at have gennemgået 8.400.000 former for liv. Denne
menneske-form er spoleret af de indbildske tåber, der ikke søger ly
under Govindas lotus-fødder.

--Brahma-vaivarta Purana
EXLEX
2020-08-06 05:11:26 UTC
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Post by EXLEX
Easy - don't start.
...and then you can keep telling yourself that you "won".
Kødindustrien er rendyrket ondskab...
Interessant standpunkt.
Hvori består ondskaben?
De tror, de kan betvinge naturen med teknologi. Men
naturen kan ikke betvinges med teknologi.
Så det er ikke i orden at betvinge naturen når det gælder kødproduktion.
Men fuldt ud acceptabelt, når det gælder produktion af vegetabilsk føde?
Det er svært at se forskellen, når alle dele af verden i det holistiske
livssyn er dele af den samme helhed.
Men det omfatter måske ikke vegetabilske "dele"?
...hvorom alting er, så er det et sygdomstegn i et samfund, når
flertallet af mennesker er materialister og ateister.
Så folk er "syge", fordi de ikke indtager samme standpunkt som dig?
I den ene ende af skalaen er der holistisk helhedsbevidsthed, og i den
anden er der krishnabevidsthed. Krishna-bevidsthed betyder, at man er
bevidst om det Højeste væsen, og befinder sig i den proces, der
gradvist tillader en at opgive sin selviskhed og overgive sig til
Krishnas nydelse.
I åndelig bevidsthed er alting focuseret på Krishna. Hvis alle levende
væsener kan focusere deres bevidsthed på Krishna, bliver de helt
lykkelige og tilfredse... det er garanteret. Krishna garanterer
personligt dette. I denne tid er den højeste bevidsthed blevet gjort
let tilgængelig, fordi Gud er kærlig mod sine forvildede dele, og Han
ved godt at folk er extra dumme og uintelligente i Kaliyuga - den
nuværende tidsalder af strid og hykleri - så Han har sendt sit navn og
sagt, at simpelthen ved blot at udtale det navn, Krishna, kan man opnå
befrielse fra lidelse i den materielle verden.
Det er i virkeligheden det, alle længes efter, men pga. af fordomme og
indokrinering, tror man, at man kan lykkelig på anden måde. Men der er
ingen anden måde at blive lykkelig på, end ved at opgive sit falske
ego (krops og sinds egoet)og overgive sig til Krishnas kærlighed.
Alt dette, jeg har beskrevet for jer, har intet med tro at gøre...
Det må jeg nok sige - det lyder ellers endog MEGET som en religiøs
anskuelse, der markedsføres i det ovenstående.

Er du sikker på, at det er alle andre, som er forvirrede?




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Jahnu
2020-08-06 07:34:36 UTC
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Kødindustrien er rendyrket ondskab...
Interessant standpunkt.
Hvori består ondskaben?
Sig mig, er du åndsvag? Er du fra Jylland?

Men wi ska da ha noe kø på bordet, mutter.

Ikke noget under du stinker af lig, klamme gut.

--men, men hvad er der galt med at slagte køer og grise i tusindvis
hver dag på samlebånd.


As long as there are slaughter-houses, there will be battlefields. A
vegetarian diet is the acid test of humanitarian. -- Leo Tolstoy


Here is the new and revised chart, comparing flesh-eaters to plant
eaters, as it appeared in Peter Cox's book, Why You Don't Need Meat,
from 1994. It is highly recommendable reading for those who care about
what they eat, and who care about the planet and its other
inhabitants.

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VEGETARIAN FLESH-EATER HUMAN


Hands / hoofs Claws as append- Hands as
as appendages ages appendages


Teeth flat Teeth sharp Teeth flat

Alkaline saliva; Acid saliva; no Alkaline saliva;
much ptyalin ptyalin enzyme much ptyalin
enzyme enzyme

Stomach acid 10 Much strong hydro- Stomach acid 10
times weaker chloride acid in times weaker than
than meat-eaters stomach meat-eaters

Long intestines Short intestines; Long intestines;
to digest nutrients rapidly excrete digest nutrients in
in plant foods fully putrefying flesh plant foods fully


Sweats to cool Pants to cool Sweats to cool
body body body


Sips water Laps water Sips water


Vitamin C obtained Vitamin C manu- Vitamin C obtained
solely from diet factured internally solely from diet


Exists largely on Consumes flesh Diet depends
fruit and nut diet; exclusively on environment


Grasping hands No manual dexte- Grasping hands
capable of using terity capable of using
tools and weapons tools and weapons


Inoffensive Putrid Offensiveness of
excrement excrement excrement depends on diet


Snack feeder Large meals infre- Combines worst of
frequently taken both worlds


Predominantly Preference for salty Likes both sweet and
sweet toothed / fatty food salty / fatty food


Likes to savor Bolts down Likes to savor food,
food, experiment food experiment with variety,
with variety, com- combine flavors
bine flavors


Large brains, able Small brains, less Large brains, able
to rationalize capable of adaptive to rationalize
behavior
EXLEX
2020-08-06 15:00:53 UTC
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Post by EXLEX
Kødindustrien er rendyrket ondskab...
Interessant standpunkt.
Hvori består ondskaben?
Sig mig, er du åndsvag? Er du fra Jylland?
Hvorfor skal jyderne blandes ind i dette?
Post by Jahnu
Ikke noget under du stinker af lig, klamme gut.
Du hævder fortsat denne specielle lugtesans...
Post by Jahnu
--men, men hvad er der galt med at slagte køer og grise i tusindvis
hver dag på samlebånd.
Ikke en brik.

Spekulerer du nogensinde over, hvilken effekt en global vegetar-diet vil
have på plantelivet?

Hvorfor er det ikke "synd for" planter når de dræbes for at blive foder?



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Jahnu
2020-08-08 02:11:38 UTC
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Hvorfor er det ikke "synd for" planter når de dræbes for at blive foder?
Man bliver nødt til at dræbe andre for at overleve. I Vedaerne siges,
at et levende væsen er føde for et andet.

Kunsten er at spise på en måde, der forårsager mindst mulig vold
lidelse for andre levende væsener.

Så du mener altså, at det er ligeså voldeligt at grave en kartoffel op
af jorden, som det er at skære halsen over på en gris? Der den samme
voldelige atmosfære i et drivhus, som på et slagteri?

hahaha :D

Fatter du, hvor snotdum og umedfølende du er? Du er jo stjerne
psykopat, mand.

As long as there are slaughter-houses, there will be battlefields. A
vegetarian diet is the acid test of humanitarian.

-- Leo Tolstoy
EXLEX
2020-08-08 07:51:28 UTC
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Post by EXLEX
Hvorfor er det ikke "synd for" planter når de dræbes for at blive foder?
Man bliver nødt til at dræbe andre for at overleve. I Vedaerne siges,
at et levende væsen er føde for et andet.
Så i virkeligheden er det jo så ikke et problem at tygge sig igennem et
slagtet dyr... det er jo helt i "skriftens" ånd.
Post by Jahnu
Kunsten er at spise på en måde, der forårsager mindst mulig vold
lidelse for andre levende væsener.
Jamen det er jo et strålende argument for at fortsætte kød-spiseriet.
Langt færre individer går jo til på den måde.
Man kan relativt hurtigt se sandhedsværdien ved at sammenligne, hvor
mange risplanter som skal bruges, for at få samme energimængde som en
enkelt pattegris.
Post by Jahnu
Så du mener altså, at det er ligeså voldeligt at grave en kartoffel op
af jorden, som det er at skære halsen over på en gris? Der den samme
voldelige atmosfære i et drivhus, som på et slagteri?
hahaha :D
Der er vel ikke den store forskel på at hive en fisk op af vandet og
grave en kartoffel op af jorden? Begge rives bort fra deres naturlige
"element" og går til... når de ender som føde for mennesker.
Post by Jahnu
Fatter du, hvor snotdum og umedfølende du er? Du er jo stjerne
psykopat, mand.
Et liv er et liv. Uanset om det er en kartoffel eller en fisk.
Fisken oplever desuden en mere "human" aflivning - kartoflen koges levende.
Energimæssigt set udgør fiskens ene liv adskillige drab på kartofler.
Så indlysende vil drabet på en enkelt eller to fisk være at foretrække,
frem for "massemordet" på kartoflerne - som så ovenikøbet koges levende.

Det bliver stadigt sværere at se logikken fra vegetarene ....




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