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(for gammel til at besvare)
Jahnu
2020-07-26 02:16:31 UTC
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My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable
superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able
to perceive with our frail and feeble mind. --Albert Einstein
EXLEX
2020-07-26 09:09:06 UTC
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My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable
superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able
to perceive with our frail and feeble mind. --Albert Einstein
Well...
That quote merely shows the limitation of imagination of a man.
The same man that wouldn't accept any other claim without hard evidence,
suddenly makes an exception in a field notorious lacking in that respect.




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Jahnu
2020-07-27 03:54:38 UTC
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Well...
That quote merely shows the limitation of imagination of a man.
The same man that wouldn't accept any other claim without hard evidence,
suddenly makes an exception in a field notorious lacking in that respect.
Well, why don't you tell us what it is yu think you know about science
that Einstein didn't :D

"I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of
all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate
and actions of human beings." -- Einstein in a telegram to a Jewish
newspaper, 1929; [pg.147, Calaprice].

(Spinoza believed the more one studies and understands the universe
the better one understands God)
EXLEX
2020-07-27 14:02:03 UTC
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Well...
That quote merely shows the limitation of imagination of a man.
The same man that wouldn't accept any other claim without hard evidence,
suddenly makes an exception in a field notorious lacking in that respect.
Well, why don't you tell us what it is yu think you know about science
that Einstein didn't :D
"I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of
all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate
and actions of human beings." -- Einstein in a telegram to a Jewish
newspaper, 1929; [pg.147, Calaprice].
(Spinoza believed the more one studies and understands the universe
the better one understands God)
And because that was his *OPINION* - some regard it as "truth"?

In my world there is a distinct difference.




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Jahnu
2020-07-29 01:38:54 UTC
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And because that was his *OPINION* - some regard it as "truth"?
In my world there is a distinct difference.
Nobody gives a shit about your world.

It is said that bad karma hits in three basic ways - poverty, disease,
and being harassed by the state. The advantage of being wealthy is
that there is no suffering from poverty. There are other advantages to
being wealthy - it’s easier to have one’a desires fulfilled. As we all
know, wealth can’t buy happiness, but it can buy lots of
sense-gratification, which is an advantage to those who confuse
sense-gratification with happiness.

Actually, the bottom line in the material world is suffering, for the
simple reason that everything ends in old age, disease and death. Not
all the wealth in the world can buy us more time, or make us more
happy than we are allotted by our karma.

The only way to escape the fundamental suffering of living in a
material body, is to cultivate spiritual knowledge. Spiritual
knowledge begins with knowing the difference between matter and spirit
- the difference between the body and the self.

Krishna says:

My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)

Only by knowing oneself as an eternal particle of consciousness, can
one gain real happiness. Real happiness is a constant fact. Real
happiness is not constantly being interrupted by misery. People of the
modern world are not educated in real happiness.

In the modern consumer civilization people are indoctrinated into
believing that sense-enjoyment will create happiness for them. Indeed,
bodily and mental enjoyments are the only types of happiness people
know of. But sense-enjoyment is merely a temporary pause in the basic
suffering of the body and mind.

Sex, for instance, is regarded by most people to be the highest joy
available. But sex-enjoyment are merely an attempt to escape the
suffering of being without sex. It's misery to live in forced
celibacy. Anyone who has reached puberty can testify to that.

Or eating. To eat is considered one of life's major enjoyments. But
actually, to eat is merely an attempt to escape the suffering of
hunger. People of the Western culture don't know what it means to
suffer from famine, but it is a great suffering experienced by many
people around the world.

And that's how it is with most of the enjoyment we seek. Eating,
sleeping, mating, and defending are the four activities humans have in
common with all other living entities. In the modern world, however,
it has become the foremost goal to fulfill and satisfy these four
needs.

They have been made the standard of happiness and enjoyment in life.
What do we do together with our loved ones, with our family and
friends? We eat, we sleep, we mate, and we defend. The entire
civilization revolves around these four activities. That's an animal
civilization. Humans are expected to have a higher goal in life than
merely satisfying basic, bodily and mental urges.

"Both animals and men share the activities of eating, sleeping, mating
and defending. But the special property of the humans is that they are
able to engage in spiritual life. Therefore without spiritual life,
humans are on the level of animals." --Hitopadesa

Millions of tons of iron are extracted from the earth to make pots,
knives and forks. Whole forests are cut down to make serviettes and
napkins. Add to that the industrial setup to manufacture cups and
glasses etc. And for sleeping - beds, mattresses, pillows, quilts,
covers, the list goes on and on. A massive enterprise - all of it,
just to eat and sleep. What to speak of the meat-industry, the second
largest industry in the world, only topped by the defense industry.

So the global culture is nothing more than one giant industrial setup
to fulfill four basic bodily needs. The fact is that the modern,
global civilization is an exploitative civilization that rapes and
plunders nature, and puts her inhabitants through untold suffering.
And it’s proudly called the industrialized, developed world.

Anyway, the happiness that can be obtained by surrendering to
Krishna's enjoyment is so far superior to the happiness that can be
squeezed out of matter, that sex with the most beautiful women become
like broken glass in comparison.

And who or what is to be blamed for the fact that the modern world
runs on animal principles? Atheism. Atheism reduces the human being to
nothing more than an animal.

In reality, the human life-form is a unique opportunity for the soul
to realize its real identity. The soul cannot realize itself in any
other life-form. In other forms of life, the soul is simply absorbed
in eating, sleeping, mating, and defending. The human form of life is
a waste of time for the soul, if it is not used to learn about one's
relation to Krishna.

Krishna should be the only center. He is the beloved of the soul. When
we love Krishna, who is the root of everything, we automatically love
all His parts and parcels - all other living entities.

It's like watering a tree. One does not benefit a tree by pouring
water on its every leaf, twig and branch. Water is poured on the root.
Then the whole tree is nourished. In the same way all living entities
are benefited and nourished when one serves Krishna - the root of all
existence.

Lord Brahma says:

"One attains the human form of life after transmigrating through
8,400,000 species by the process of gradual evolution. That human life
is spoiled for those conceited fools who do not take shelter of the
lotus feet of Govinda."

--Brahma-vaivarta Purana
EXLEX
2020-07-29 06:51:48 UTC
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And because that was his *OPINION* - some regard it as "truth"?
In my world there is a distinct difference.
Nobody gives a shit about your world.
And yet here you are, attempting to gain influence on it and change it?

Clearly you appear to both care about it and alter it?
Why else would you argue with me over your stated viewpoints, mr. Nobody?




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Jahnu
2020-07-30 05:42:08 UTC
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And yet here you are, attempting to gain influence on it and change it?
Nope. I'm here to offer knowledge of God - the ancient, Vedic
knowledge that alone can free you from all suffering.
Post by EXLEX
Clearly you appear to both care about it and alter it?
You think?
Post by EXLEX
Why else would you argue with me over your stated viewpoints, mr. Nobody?
Arguing? hahaha :D Is that what you think we are having? An argument?
I'm just here to tell you how it is, to offer you knowledge of God.
Whether you accept it or not, is up to you. Nothing to do with me.

Krishna says:

My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)

This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)
EXLEX
2020-07-30 06:18:17 UTC
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Post by EXLEX
And yet here you are, attempting to gain influence on it and change it?
Nope. I'm here to offer knowledge of God - the ancient, Vedic
knowledge that alone can free you from all suffering.
Post by EXLEX
Clearly you appear to both care about it and alter it?
You think?
Post by EXLEX
Why else would you argue with me over your stated viewpoints, mr. Nobody?
Arguing? hahaha :D Is that what you think we are having? An argument?
I'm just here to tell you how it is, to offer you knowledge of God.
Whether you accept it or not, is up to you. Nothing to do with me.
And yet, your posts contain more than just the "knowledge" which you
claim is the only thing you offer?

Strange indeed.




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Jahnu
2020-07-31 02:58:40 UTC
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And yet, your posts contain more than just the "knowledge" which you
claim is the only thing you offer?
Strange indeed.
Anything real is strange to a cadaver-eater like you :D

Preaching on-line to antagonists, one thing I hear real often is - uh
duh, you can't think for yourself. You need some old books to think
for you.

But the real fact of the matter is that main-stream people would be up
the proverbial creek without a paddle if they didn't have TV,
newspapers and magazines to tell them what to think and believe. They
all say the same things and have the same values. How is it
independent thinking to talk, think and be like millions of other
people?

I would venture to say, that the more a point of view is prevalent in
society, the more people who share a view-point, the less independent
it is.

Practically nobody except the Hare Krishnas think like the Hare
Krishnas, and the Hare Krishnas are a tiny minority of people on
planet. So actually the Hare Krishnas must be the most independent
type of thinkers.

The Hare Krishna way of thinking is based on an ancient, revealed
science, that has been tried and tested since time immemorial whereas
the thinking of people in mainstream society is dictated by mass media
and Hollywood. So whose thinking is most independent, seriously? That
also begs the question - what is the definition of independent
thinking, and who defines it? If you say, independent thinking is
defined by the majority of people, how is it independent thinking? So
when people tell you, that you have no independent thoughts, they have
no idea what they are talking about. They are merely mindlessly
repeating a slogan.

Next time someone challenges you - you can't think for yourself - ask
that person to name just one single, miniscule, little thought he or
she has come up with by themselves. Let's hear some of your
independent thoughts. That'll stomp anyone... just try. Nothing of
what people in general have to offer are based on independent
thinking.

The real fact is that nobody is thinking independently. Everyone's
thinking is inspired by what they have heard and learned from others.
So what's best? - to be inspired by the ancient teachings of the Vedic
tradition or to be inspired by CNN and Fox news or the garbage they
teach you in school?

"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
questions which exercise us."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Krishna says:

One must deliver himself with the help of his mind, and not degrade
himself. The mind is the friend of the conditioned soul, and his enemy
as well. (Bg. 6.5)

For him who has conquered the mind, the mind is the best of friends;
but for one who has failed to do so, his mind will remain the greatest
enemy. (Bg. 6.6)
EXLEX
2020-07-31 08:16:48 UTC
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And yet, your posts contain more than just the "knowledge" which you
claim is the only thing you offer?
Strange indeed.
Anything real is strange to a cadaver-eater like you :D
One may be tempted to ask why the "vultures" circle "a healthy man"?




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Jahnu
2020-08-01 01:42:23 UTC
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One may be tempted to ask why the "vultures" circle "a healthy man"?
Do you have voltures hovering over the slabs of cadavers lying on your
dinner-table?

The mind basically thinks and acts like it has been trained to do
during its formative years.

If you don't suffer much, you are more influenced by the mode of
passion than of ignorance. Passion means constantly changing between
happiness and distress. The mode of ignorance conditions you to a lot
of suffering and misfortune. And in the mode of goodness you are
mostly happy. There is practically no goodness in modern society,
hence all the problems. Modern society is based on complete
speculation. It's values and goals are without any authority, but the
mind.

You see, whatever we know or think we know, is something we have
learned from others, so it is entirely a matter of authority, exactly
as predicted in the Vedic tradition, which state that there are
basically three ways of getting knowledge - pratyaksha, anumana and
shabda - ie. direct sensory perception (empirical knowledge), logical
deduction and from sound, which means that which is learned from
authority.

So we have two options - we can either accept our own mind as
authority, or we can accept somebody else's mind as authority. It's
simply a question of who we choose to get our knowlege from - is our
own mind the authority or is it someone else?

In modern society, we have been trained to think that one's own mind
is the greatest authority. That, together with what we are told by TV
and Hollywood, determines our view of the world.

I accept the Vedic sages as my authority I accept the Vedas as
authority. Others accept what they are conditioned to think by the
culture that produced them. It is as simple as that.

The reason we don't understand that the knowledge of the eternal
disciplic succession is superior to the speculations of modern man, is
because we are too much governed by the mode of ignorance, in which we
become convinced by what our own mind tells us. At least, a person in
the mode of passion will doubt whether he is right or wrong - doubts
are the function of the intelligence. And in the mode of goodness one
understands things as they are, because in the mode of goodness there
is enlightenment.

Real knowledge can only be derived from those who possess it. In the
mode of goodness one understands that. In the mode of passion one will
at least be doubtful of what the mind, or anyone else, tells one, but
in the mode of ignorance, one is totally convinced, but of the wrong
thing, and that makes one commit mistakes.

The first mistake is to accept knowledge from the wrong sources. Real
knowledge comes from the Vedas. It can be tried and testet by anyone.
The description of nature's working according to the three modes of
material nature - goodness, passion, and ignorance - is a science that
can be tried and tested like any other science. Bhagavad Gita is like
a user manual issued by the producer of the machine of nature -
Krishna.

It's like a map that will teach one to read what is really going on in
nature, in the body and in the mind. It can be tested and confirmed
scientifically. But if we are in the mode of ignorance, we won't
listen to it or try to investigate it. We will be completely convinced
by our prejudice and upbringing. Conditions of ignorance always lead
to suffering, without exception. The mode of passion causes you to
experience a mixture of happiness and distress - up and down
constantly - and in the mode of goodness we will be generally
satisfied and content and we will know what is what.

It should be noted, that I'm not expression a faith or belief here,
I'm stating scientific facts that can be tried and tested and verified
by anyone. If one doesn't agree, he should feel free to ignore it.
This message is only directed at a sincere seeker who wants to know
God and the meaning of life. It is only meant for those who have a
desire to learn the truth - the absolute truth which will end all
suffering.

Krishna says:

Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire
from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized
souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth.
(Bg. 4.34)

Having obtained real knowledge from a self-realized soul, you will
never fall again into such illusion, for by this knowledge you will
see that all living beings are but part of the Supreme, or, in other
words, that they are Mine. (Bg. 4.35)

Even if you are considered to be the most sinful of all sinners, when
you are situated in the boat of transcendental knowledge you will be
able to cross over the ocean of miseries. —Bg 4.36

As a blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the fire
of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to material activities. —Bg
4.37

In this world, there is nothing so sublime and pure as transcendental
knowledge. Such knowledge is the mature fruit of all mysticism. And
one who has become accomplished in the practice of devotional service
enjoys this knowledge within himself in due course of time. —Bg 4.38

A faithful man who is dedicated to transcendental knowledge and who
subdues his senses is eligible to achieve such knowledge, and having
achieved it he quickly attains the supreme spiritual peace. —Bg 4.39

But ignorant and faithless persons who doubt the revealed scriptures
do not attain God consciousness; they fall down. For the doubting soul
there is happiness neither in this world nor in the next. —Bg 4.40
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2020-08-01 06:45:57 UTC
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One may be tempted to ask why the "vultures" circle "a healthy man"?
Do you have voltures hovering over the slabs of cadavers lying on your
dinner-table?
Nope - not enough room.
...but it surely would be decorative...
Post by Jahnu
The mind basically thinks and acts like it has been trained to do
during its formative years.
So your lack of thinking is merely caused by lack of training?
...interesting.




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Jahnu
2020-08-02 00:23:33 UTC
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So your lack of thinking is merely caused by lack of training?
...interesting.
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"

--Albert Einstein
EXLEX
2020-08-02 09:22:23 UTC
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So your lack of thinking is merely caused by lack of training?
...interesting.
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"
--Albert Einstein
The scratchy record seems stuck and keeps repeating itself.
A slight nudge may be in order to advance it.




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Jahnu
2020-08-02 23:36:34 UTC
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The scratchy record seems stuck and keeps repeating itself.
A slight nudge may be in order to advance it.
AN OPEN LETTER FROM PAUL- 14.01.2008


A recently published UN report has come to my attention. This report
contains information that I, personally, find quite amazing and I’d
like to share it with you. The report (Livestock’s Long Shadow)
contains one clear message; it states that the single most effective
act that any individual can currently do to lessen the effects of
global warming is to become vegetarian. That this message comes
directly from an authoritative body such as the UN (whose member
states, it should be remembered, are not generally considered
vegetarian) rather than an organisation committed to vegetarianism is
significant.

You may know that for over 30 years I have been interested in the
promotion of vegetarianism and my own feelings were sparked by a
simple compassion for animals. What I think is especially compelling,
is that this report should now encourage everybody to ‘do their bit’
for the planet. The evidence that the report gives is, frankly,
stunning. It points directly to the striking detrimental effects of
excessive livestock farming on the environment. For
instance:

Livestock are one of the most significant contributors to the most
serious environmental problems of today” says Henning Steinfeld of the
UN Food and Agricultural Organisation (FAO). "Urgent action is
required to remedy the situation."

70% of former forests in the Amazon have been turned over to grazing.

Livestock now use 30% of the entire world’s land surface.

Cattle rearing is also a major source of land and water degradation.
(FAO report Livestock’s Long Shadow- Environmental Issues & Options).

When emissions from land use and land use change are included (i.e.
deforestation), the livestock sector accounts for 9% of CO2 deriving
from human-related activities, but produces a much larger share of
even more harmful greenhouse gases. It generates 65% of human-related
nitrous oxide, which has 296 times the Global Warming Potential (GWP)
of CO2.

The livestock business is among the most damaging sectors to the
earth’s increasingly scarce water resources, contributing among other
things to water pollution¬from animal wastes, antibiotics and
hormones, chemicals from tanneries, fertilizers and the pesticides
used to sprayed crops.

Ok, this may sound like me banging on about vegetarianism again but
this time, these facts come straight from the UN and I wonder if you,
like me, think that they are significant enough to be taken seriously.
By simply considering altering eating habits people can strike a blow
for the environment, our children and the future. Such facts and data
as those listed above can’t be ignored.

I hope this statement doesn’t seem too heavy-handed but I think this
recent news is important enough to take notice of.

Many thanks for reading this.

Cheers,

Paul McCartney

source:

http://macca.devstars.eu/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=64366
EXLEX
2020-08-03 21:58:26 UTC
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Post by EXLEX
The scratchy record seems stuck and keeps repeating itself.
A slight nudge may be in order to advance it.
AN OPEN LETTER FROM PAUL- 14.01.2008
Ok, this may sound like me banging on about vegetarianism again but
this time, these facts come straight from the UN..
Is this the same "UN" that claimed that travel in and out of China was
"safe" as they had the corona virus under control?




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Jahnu
2020-08-05 05:38:32 UTC
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Is this the same "UN" that claimed that travel in and out of China was
"safe" as they had the corona virus under control?
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER

The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989


The Hunger Argument

Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60
million.

Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if
Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million

Human beings in America: 243 million

Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by
U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80

Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95

Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99

How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds

Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 20.OOO

Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 165

Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56

Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16


The Environmental Argument

Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect

Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from
fossil fuels.

Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free
diet: 50 times more

Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75

Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising:
85

Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce
meat-centered diet: 260 million

Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds

Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S.
housecat.

Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55
sq.ft.

Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical
rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year


The Cancer Argument

Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week
vs. less than once a week: 4 times

For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or
more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs.
sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times


The Natural Resources Argument

Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.:
livestock portion.

Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to
float a destroyer.

Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25

Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500

Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not
subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound

Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no
longer subsidized: 89 dollars

Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a
meat-centered diet: 13

Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260

Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million

Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient
factory farming of meat: 34.5

Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8

Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present
meat-centered diet: 33


The Cholesterol Argument

Number of U.S. medical schools: 125

Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30

Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four
years in medical school: 25 hours

Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack

How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds

Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc.

Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc.

Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood
cholesterol if it is: normal

Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your
blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc.


The Antibiotic Argument

Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55

Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in
1960: 13

Percentage resistant in 1988: 91

Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of
antibiotics to livestock: ban

Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding
of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support


The Pesticide Argument

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains:
1

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits:
4

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy
products: 23

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55

Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs.
non meat-eating: 35 times higher

What USDA tells us: meat is inspected

Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin
chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004


The Ethical Argument

Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000

Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker

Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in
U.S:slaughterhouse worker

Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before
slaughter.: 1 cent

Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive


The Survival Argument

Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time
winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian

Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex

Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C.


Famous vegetarians:
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Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet
Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting

'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.'
--William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3
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2020-08-05 14:04:13 UTC
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Is this the same "UN" that claimed that travel in and out of China was
"safe" as they had the corona virus under control?
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
There is no "winning" such an argument.
But if you avoid it, you can keep telling yourself that you "would have
won" - might make you feel better....

As for the arguments brought forward - none are valid for the point you
wish to make.




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EXLEX

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