What is the basis for good and evil?

[Jahnu]

The basis of good and evil is God, obviously. Without God, good and
evil will remain the relative opinions and wishful thinking of humans.
Factually, only God can define good and evil for us. So without God,
there is no good or evil. In that case, everything just is. Moral and
ethics, in fact, any values at all, are just human speculations.

If good and evil are merely up to opinion, or if it’s just a matter of
what the majority of people agree on, how is it good or evil?

Most people will agree that rape, murder and torture are evil. The
same people, however, will gladly buy the products from an industry
that tortures and murders animals by the millions every day in
high-tech death factories, the world over.

Can you imagine the public outrage, if people were treated like
animals are being treated in the modern food-production?

I say the meat-industry is pure evil, other people say that
slaughter-houses are just food-production plants, and great for
business. In Denmark, where I come from, they call raising cattle and
pigs for slaughter, they call it agriculture. How can agriculture be
evil, right?

So who is going to determine whether treating animals like meat-racks,
instead of like living beings, is good or evil? Clearly only God can
do that.

"One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another
animal, and deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if
such a fiend does not desist by other means, then you should not
hesitate to cut off his head."

--Rig-veda (10.87.16)

"He who permits the slaughter of an animal, he who cuts it up, he who
kills it, he who buys or sells meat, he who cooks it, he who serves it
up, and he who eats it, must all be considered as the slayers of the
animal. There is no greater sinner than that man who though not
worshiping the gods or the ancestors, seeks to increase the bulk of
his own flesh by the flesh of other beings."
(Manu-samhita 5.51-52)

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Post by Jahnu
The basis of good and evil is God

So god is evil?




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[Jahnu]

Post by EXLEX
So god is evil?

God is beyond good and evil, obviously.


"He who permits the slaughter of an animal, he who cuts it up, he who
kills it, he who buys or sells meat, he who cooks it, he who serves it
up, and he who eats it, must all be considered as the slayers of the
animal. There is no greater sinner than that man who though not
worshiping the gods or the ancestors, seeks to increase the bulk of
his own flesh by the flesh of other beings." (Manu-samhita 5.51-52)

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Post by Jahnu

Post by EXLEX
So god is evil?

God is beyond good and evil, obviously.

So basicly she is still evil, but noone but me dares to judge?
....so spineless the vast majority seems to be...

Post by Jahnu
"He who permits the slaughter of an animal, he who cuts it up, he who
kills it, he who buys or sells meat, he who cooks it, he who serves it
up, and he who eats it

.... all enjoy the bacon... in some form or another...




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[Jahnu]

Post by EXLEX
.... all enjoy the bacon... in some form or another...

Enjoy now, suffer later.

" As long as there are slaughter-houses, there will be battlefields. A
vegetarian diet is the acid test of humanitarian."

-- Leo Tolstoy

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Post by EXLEX
.... all enjoy the bacon... in some form or another...

Enjoy now, suffer later.
" As long as there are slaughter-houses, there will be battlefields. A
vegetarian diet is the acid test of humanitarian."
-- Leo Tolstoy

On endless repeat it would appear...

I start to see why you ask about "independent thinking".
I would seem to be unknown to you....




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[Jahnu]

Post by EXLEX
I start to see why you ask about "independent thinking".
I would seem to be unknown to you....

You? Independent thinking? hahaha :)

--but, but Ah seen it on TV

Preaching on-line to antagonists, one thing I hear real often is - uh
duh, you can't think for yourself. You need some old books to think
for you.

But the real fact of the matter is that main-stream people would be up
the proverbial creek without a paddle if they didn't have TV,
newspapers and magazines to tell them what to think and believe. They
all say the same things and have the same values. How is it
independent thinking to talk, think and be like millions of other
people?

I would venture to say, that the more a point of view is prevalent in
society, the more people who share a view-point, the less independent
it is.

Practically nobody except the Hare Krishnas think like the Hare
Krishnas, and the Hare Krishnas are a tiny minority of people on
planet. So actually the Hare Krishnas must be the most independent
type of thinkers.

The Hare Krishna way of thinking is based on an ancient, revealed
science, that has been tried and tested since time immemorial whereas
the thinking of people in mainstream society is dictated by mass media
and Hollywood. So whose thinking is most independent, seriously? That
also begs the question - what is the definition of independent
thinking, and who defines it? If you say, independent thinking is
defined by the majority of people, how is it independent thinking? So
when people tell you, that you have no independent thoughts, they have
no idea what they are talking about. They are merely mindlessly
repeating a slogan.

Next time someone challenges you - you can't think for yourself - ask
that person to name just one single, miniscule, little thought he or
she has come up with by themselves. Let's hear some of your
independent thoughts. That'll stomp anyone... just try. Nothing of
what people in general have to offer are based on independent
thinking.

The real fact is that nobody is thinking independently. Everyone's
thinking is inspired by what they have heard and learned from others.
So what's best? - to be inspired by the ancient teachings of the Vedic
tradition or to be inspired by CNN and Fox news or the garbage they
teach you in school?

"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
questions which exercise us."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Krishna says:

One must deliver himself with the help of his mind, and not degrade
himself. The mind is the friend of the conditioned soul, and his enemy
as well. (Bg. 6.5)

For him who has conquered the mind, the mind is the best of friends;
but for one who has failed to do so, his mind will remain the greatest
enemy. (Bg. 6.6)

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Post by Jahnu

Post by EXLEX
I start to see why you ask about "independent thinking".
I would seem to be unknown to you....

You? Independent thinking? hahaha :)

It is one of the requirements when you move beynd the parrot-repeating
that you display most of the time.
So it seems obvious, that you lack knowledge of it.




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[Jahnu]

Post by EXLEX
It is one of the requirements when you move beynd the parrot-repeating
that you display most of the time.
So it seems obvious, that you lack knowledge of it.

Krishna says:

A person who is not disturbed by the incessant flow of desires - that
enter like rivers into the ocean, which is ever being filled but is
always still - can alone achieve peace, and not the man who strives to
satisfy such desires. (Bg 2.70)

A person who has given up all desires for sense gratification, who
lives free from desires, who has given up all sense of proprietorship
and is devoid of false ego - he alone can attain real peace. (Bg 2.71)

That is the way of the spiritual and godly life, after attaining which
a man is not bewildered. If one is thus situated even at the hour of
death, one can enter into the kingdom of God. (Bg 2.72)