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Hvad holder os tilbage fra total glæde?
(for gammel til at besvare)
Jahnu
2021-06-14 04:04:03 UTC
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The body and mind alone are blocking us from complete happiness. All
living entities are souls. The soul is by definition - sat-chit ananda
- eternal, and full of knowledge and bliss.

The body, which is the vehicle of the soul in the material world is
the exact opposite - temporary and full of ignorance and misery.
By realizing ourselves as souls, who are parts and parcels of God, we
shall taste complete happiness. As long as we identify ourselves with
the body and its culture we shall remain miserable.

Of course, the body will give us sense-gratification, which by most
people are confused with happiness, but the happiness we get from
bodily and mental gratification will always and without exception end
in misery. So nobody can get complete happiness from the body and
mind.

The Vedic version teaches us that God is made of eternity, knowledge,
and bliss.

Brahma, god of creation, says:

Krishna who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an
eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no
other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes. -Brahma-samhita,
5.1

It also makes perfect sense that eternity, knowledge and bliss is the
substance of God. We can test it on ourselves. As souls, ie. atomic
fragments of God, we consist of the same spiritual substance as God,
and this fact should be somehow measurable. It's like, by examining
one drop of the ocean one gets an understanding of the entire ocean.
The very fact that all living entities instinctively gravitate towards
these three factors, indicates that this is our natural state. All
living entities seek eternity, knowledge, and bliss. We all have the
distinct experience that these three are the prime moving factors of
our core existence.

We are all pleasure seeking. We all try to learn something. And we all
try to preserve our being. Some people say - I don't seek eternity. It
must become boring in eternity. But we all seek eternity in the sense
that we try to preserve our being. The survival instinct together with
the mating instinct are the strongest instincts in all living
entities.

Besides, boredom is a factor of material existence, As souls on the
spiritual plane we will never get bored playing with Krishna. Who
would not want to be eternally young and blissful? Does anyone want
his or her happiness to end, because it's just so boring being happy?
The only reason one would want his existence to end is if it's
miserable.

In reality we are happy all the time. Only in our delusion of bodily
existence is happiness constantly interrupted by suffering. Who wants
bliss to end? Who sits in a real happy frame of mind, and thinks -
gee, I wish this happiness would end... nobody does that. Thus it is a
direct observable fact that all living entities gravitate towards
eternity, knowledge and bliss, exactly as predicted in the Vedic
version.

By connecting with our real identities as souls we become re-situated
in God's substance of eternity, knowledge and bliss. By connecting
with our real selves we connect with eternity, knowledge and bliss.
The method to do so is to invoke the name of God and petition Him.
This is done in this age by chanting the Hare Krishna Mantra.

hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare
hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare

"This mantra, consisting of 16 words and 32 syllables, is the only
means against evil in this age. After searching through all the Vedic
literature, one cannot find a method of religion more sublime for this
age than the chanting of Hare Krsna."

--- Kali-santarana Upanishad
Helle Jensen
2021-06-14 04:18:22 UTC
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At der stadig findes religiøse tosser?
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Helle Jensen
Jahnu
2021-06-14 04:32:34 UTC
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 06:18:22 +0200, "Helle Jensen"
Post by Helle Jensen
At der stadig findes religiøse tosser?
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"
-Albert Einstein
Lyrik
2021-06-14 05:13:43 UTC
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Post by Helle Jensen
At der stadig findes religiøse tosser?
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Der er håb for dig endnu Helle!;-)))


jenserik
Jahnu
2021-06-16 02:59:15 UTC
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Post by Lyrik
Der er håb for dig endnu Helle!;-)))
Det eneste i begge har at se frem til er sygdom, alderdom og død.

Gud har to illusoriske kræfter - maha-maya og yoga-maya. Maha-maya
hensætter de faldne sjæle i den materialle verden i illusion.
Yoga-maya en den illusoriske energi, der påvirker de befriede sjæle i
Vrindavann. Kort kan det siges, at maha-maha maya dækker os betingede
sjæle, og yoga-maya dækker Krishna og Hans hengivne. Maha-maya
tilhører Krishnas ydre energi, og Yoga-maya tilhører Krishnas indre
energi.

Yoga-maya er den illusion der hersker i den åndelige verden, som får
Krishna og Hans hengivne til at glemme, at Han er Gud, således at de
kan hengive sig til de forskellige forhold de måtte have til Krishna.

Krishna's forælde i Vrindavan forholder sig for f.eks. til Krishna som
dered barn. For at forøge deres kærlighed som forældre, dækker
yoga-maya dem, så de ikke ved, at Krishna er Gud. Det er svært at
relatere til dit lille barn på behørig vis, hvis du ved at barnet er
Gud. Så Krishnas forældre bliver dækket af yogamaya, så at de kan
fordybe sig i Krishna's leg med dem.

De får af og til åbenbarelser om Krishnas gudelighed, som da mor
Yashoda fik åbenbaret al tid og rum, da hun kiggede i Krishna's mund
for at se om Han havde spist jord, som Hans kammarater havde beskyldt
Ham for.

Yoga-maya dækker også Krishna, så Han af og til glemmer, at Han er
Gud. Når mor Yashoda løber efter Krishna med en kæp i hånden, fordi
Han har været uartig, er det ikke sådan, at Krishna tænker - Jeg er
faktisk Gud, men jeg leger lille barn med Yashoda. Når Krishna flygter
fra sin mor med tårer i øjnene, er Han faktisk bange for hende.

Dette er yoga-mayas virke for at hjælpe Krishna med at have det mere
sjovt når Han opfører sig som et almindeligt mennesker. Som Vishnu
eller Narayan glemmer Gud aldrig sig selv. Men som Krisha, glemmer Gud
sig selv. Krishna tillader sig selv at kommer under yoga-mayas
indflydelse altsammen for at have det mere sjovt.

Vishvanath Chakravarti Thakur har udtalt i en af sine kommentarer i
10. canto af Bhagavatam, at det, der forvirrer vismændene allermest,
er, når Krishna kommer ned til jorden og spiller almindeligt menneske.
F.eks. er der en episode med Brahma, der simpelthen ikke kunne fatte,
at den lille dreng, der har frokost med sine venne på breddeb af
Yamuna, og med den yoghurt Han holder løbende ud mellen sine fingre, i
vireligheden er Gud.

Der er også en morsom hændelse beskrevet i Bhagavatam. Både Krishna og
Balaram var til stede blandt tilskuerne på tribunen under Draupadis
svayamvara. Svayamvara er den ceromoni, hvor forskellige konger kan
bejle om en prinsesses gunst.

Blandt bejlerne var også Arjuna forklædt som brahmin. Arjuna kom
inkognito, fordi Pandavaerne på det tidspunkt var tvunget til at leve
i exil, uset af alle. Så Krishna læner sig over mod Balaram - Hey
broder, er det ikke Arjuna dernede, ham braminen? Balaram tænker sig
lidt om og siger - hmmm, jeg tror faktisk du har ret.Det ligner
faktisk Arjuna udklædt som bramin.

Så her har vi Gud, den altvidende Oversjæl i hjertet på alle levede
væseners hjerter, læne sig over mod Gud (Balaram er Krishnas første
ekspansion og dermed også Gud) og spørge, prøv at se der, tror du, det
der er Arjuna? Og Gud svarer - jeg tror sandelig, Du har ret.

Så når Gud leger som et almindeligt mennesker, er det altsammen
arrangeret af Yoga-maya, hvis opgave det er at facilitere Krishnas
lege i den materielle verden.
EXLEX
2021-06-16 21:32:34 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
Post by Lyrik
Der er håb for dig endnu Helle!;-)))
Det eneste i begge har at se frem til er sygdom, alderdom og død.
...og tilsyneladende på lige fod med alle andre.




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EXLEX
Jahnu
2021-06-17 04:48:34 UTC
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Post by EXLEX
...og tilsyneladende på lige fod med alle andre.
Krishna siger:

Efter at have opnået Mig vender de store sjæle, der er yogier i
hengivenhed, aldrig tilbage til denne midlertidige verden fuld af
elendighed, for de har nået den højeste fuldkommenhed. (Bg. 8.15)

Fra den højeste planet ned til den laveste i denne materielle verden
er alle steder fulde af elendighed, hvor gentagende fødsel og død
finder sted. Men den, der når Min bolig, O Kuntis søn, vil aldrig mere
blive født. (Bg. 8.16)

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