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How do atheists explain the world?
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Jahnu
2020-08-13 00:21:01 UTC
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----but, but, but there is no magic involved in creating life. It's
all a natural process. If you ask me what exactly is that natural
process, I have no idea, I just call it a natural process to make it
sound like it's science, to fool creationists into thinking, that I
know what I'm talking about.

These poor religious fanatics, they need some magical, invisible pixie
sitting in the sky, to explain nature, but me? Forget it, I don't need
magic to explain nature, because it's all a naturall process.

You see, first there was a point... I call the point a singularity to
make it sound less ridiculous, I fabulate it's a point of all mass,
space, and time, so no need to worry about what was outside the point,
because there was nothing outside the point - no space, no time, no
mass, no condencity, no nothing, you understand? There was only the
point, and from that point a universe came out, just like that, for no
apparent reason, it just happened, see? No magic involved... it's all
a natural process, and as we all know natural processes are very
scientic.

I won't get into what happened with the natural processes after the
universe popped into existence - how life evolved out of chemicals and
then transmuted from an amoeba into a talking human being. Don't worry
yourself about all these annoying details, all you have to understand
is that it's completely natural and scientific.... and that it
happened over long, long time. That's all you have to know.

Also, don't worry yourself that noone with a brain actually believes
the world created itself out of a bunch of chemicals, don't worry that
the most prominent and brainy scientists on the planet support the
idea of ID - Intelligent Design, simply because it makes more sense.

That's totally inconsequential. All you have to know, is that it's all
completely natural. It doesn't matter you have no clue what it means
or entails. You simply have to repeat it like a mantra, just try it -
natural process, natural process, natural natural process process, no
magic, no magic, magic magic no no... see how good it makes you feel?

"A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a
superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry
and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about
in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so
overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question." - Fred
Hoyle, astrophysicist
EXLEX
2020-08-13 10:07:28 UTC
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----but, but, but there is no magic involved in creating life. It's
all a natural process...
Så du er begyndt at komme til fornuft nu?
Post by Jahnu
These poor religious fanatics, they need some magical, invisible pixie
sitting in the sky, to explain nature...
Du synes ar være på rette vej.


Forsæt det gode arbejde....
Der skal nok blive noget ud af dig en dag.




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Jahnu
2020-08-15 03:37:43 UTC
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Der skal nok blive noget ud af dig en dag.
Ja, i modsætning til dig. Det eneste du har at se frem til i din
meningsløse tilværelse er sygdom og død.

En ny religion er opstået i den globale kultur - Scientismen. Selvom
videnskaben intet fornuftigt har at sige om den virkelighed, vi lever
i, bliver de brede masser indoktrineret med ideen om at videnskaben
har gjort Gud og religion overflødig.

Men hvem har bestemt at teknologisk expertise er det bedste barometer
til at bedømme, om man har forstået virkeligheden om livet? Det
eneste, man behøver at forstå for at fremstille en computer, er,
hvordan fysisk stof opfører sig. Der kræves intet andet end matematisk
og fysisk kunnen for at bygge en satelit eller et kamera. Men fysiske
og kemiske vekselvirkninger er kun et meget lille udsnit af den
virkelighed, vi oplever. En langt større del af virkeligheden udgøres
af vores bevidste oplevelse af verden. Ateismen afholder folk fra
erkende sig selv som den, der oplever - som en observant af
virkeligheden.

I den moderne kultur udlæres der intet om det virkelige selv. Selvet
er blot blevet reduceret til nogle kemiske reaktioner i hjernen. De,
der styrer samfundet, dvs. fabrikanterne, er nemlig ikke
interesserede i en oplyst befolkning, for en oplyst befolkning vil
ikke være interesseret i at købe alt det bras, der produceres i
forbruger kulturen. Derfor føres der en bevidst kampagne i den
globale kultur for at gøre folk til ateister, bla. ved aggressivt at
indoktrinere dem i Evolution og abiogenese lige fra de bliver født af.
I det forbrugerkulturen har man blot erstattet religion med politik. I
stedet for at gå op i religion går man nu op i politik. Men det er
altsammen med det ene formål at gøre folk til bevidstløse forbrugere.
Cocacola og Disney kulturen har allerede lavet verden om til deres
markedsplads - et verdensomspændende altar hvor man stolt duperer
masserne med de nyeste teknologiske frembringelser. Teknologi er nu
folkets fortrukne opium.

Eftersom folket mades med endeløse hollywood film, hvor teknologien
klarer alle ærterne, glemmer de helt, at deres teknologi ikke kan
redde dem fra naturens ubønhørlige mekanismer. Som vi har set igen og
igen kommer deres teknologi altid til kort, og folkets nye præster, nu
i hvide kitler i stedet for sorte, hiver sig forvildet i håret – de
fatter ikke, hvordan naturens mekanismer virker, for de lider af den
misforståelse, at alting blot er bevidtsløse fysiske
vekeselvirkninger.

De kan ikke se, at naturen og alting omkring dem påvirkes af og
reagerer på menneskets individuelle og kollektive mentalitet. De
mangler et holistisk syn. De fatter ikke, at naturen er en bevidsthed.
Gennem bevidst propaganda for at holde folk hen i uvidenhed bliver
hele verden gennem medier og film således vildledt til at deltage i
den globale kulturs blinde fremmarch mod afgrunden.

Stof udgør kun en ubetydelig dimension af virkeligheden. Meget
vigtigere end at forstå, hvordan stof virker er det at forstå, hvordan
bevidstheden og sindet fungerer, for disse udgør den virkelige
virkelighed i ethvert bevidst væsens tilværelse.

Men det lærer man intet om i skolen. Så længe man ikke har forstået
sig selv som en et væsen adskilt fra materien, er ens bevidsthed
ifølge den vediske version ikke engang evolveret over dyrestadiet, og
man vil som følge deraf altid være absorberet i og dermed forstyrret
af den kropslige dualitet i form af lykke og lidelse.

Det er det, folk med en ateistisk mentalitet ikke forstår - ateismen
er den grundliggende ondskab i mennesket, der afholder det fra at
udnytte den menneskelige livsform til det, den virkeligt er beregnet -
nemlig at studere bevidsthed.

I stedet forslaver ateismen bevidstheden til et materielt livssyn,
hvor bevidstheden ikke kan se sig selv. I naturvidenskaben bruger man
sin bevidsthed til at studere ting uden for sig selv, man bruger
bevidstheden til at absorbere sig selv i død materie, men i den
åndelige videnskab bruger man sin bevidsthed til at studere sig selv,
dvs. sin bevidsthed.

Naturvidenskaben er nyttig til at lave teknologi, og når vi lever i en
verden, hvor masserne er slået med ærefrygt af teknologiske vidundere.
bliver dette selvfølgelig meget vigtigt. Men ateistens begejstring
over teknologien og naturvidenskabens evne til at manipulere med stof
er ikke det mindste forskellig fra den begejstring almindelige
mennesker udviste i fortiden, når magikere og troldmænd fyrede krudt
og svovl af for at imponere folk, holde dem hen i frygt, og sikre sig
behagelige positioner i samfundet.

I middelalderen benyttede den herskende klasse sig af folkets
uvidenhed til at nyde og kontrollere, og i dag benytter de moderne
herskere, fabrikanterne, sig af nøjagtigt de samme virkemidler til at
holde folk hen i uvidenhed og slaveri. I det globale samfund er
slaverne blot blevet opgraderet til en middelklasse med egen hus og
Volvo.

Men folk slaver stadig tilværelsen væk i kedelige, trivielle og ofte
skadelige jobs og plages af de samme endeløse bekymringer og
elendigheder, som folk altid har været plaget af. De udnyttes og
udsuges stadigvæk af den herskende klasse og evigt øgede beskatninger,
nøjagtigt ligesom det altid er blevet.

Den eneste virksomme medicin mod dette er oplysning om det sande,
evige selv. Vaishnava-religionen har siden 1400 tallet været kendt for
at missionere for VIDEN om Gud. Det er en torn i øjet på det bestående
samfund og de dæmoniske kræfter, der styrer det.

Det er kun naturligt i den nuværende tidsalder - mørkets og hykeriets
tidsalder - der er styret af ugudelige kræfter, der forslaver
almindelige mennesker i en håbløs og frustrerende eksistens, at en
ægte religion også vil være fremstå som en revolutionær,
samfundsomvæltende bevægelse. Revolutionen søges dog ikke med våben og
vold men gennem viden om sandheden. Men sandheden er som bekendt ilde
hørt.

Krishna siger:

Min kære Arjuna, eftersom du aldrig er misundelig på Mig, vil Jeg
hermed give dig denne mest fortrolige kundskab og indsigt. Når du
kender den, vil du blive frigjort for alle den materielle eksistens
elendigheder. (Bg. 9.1)

Denne viden er kongen over al uddannelse og den mest fortrolige af
alle hemmeligheder. Det er den reneste viden, og eftersom den giver en
direkte opfattelse af selvet gennem indsigt, er det religionens
fuldkommenhed. Den varer evigt og udføres med glæde.
(Bg. 9.2)
EXLEX
2020-08-15 09:24:22 UTC
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Post by EXLEX
Der skal nok blive noget ud af dig en dag.
Ja, i modsætning til dig. Det eneste du har at se frem til i din
meningsløse tilværelse er sygdom og død.
Jeps... præcis som dig.
Jeg har bare ikke brug for en serie af fantasi-venner, for at se dette i
øjnene.




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Jahnu
2020-08-17 01:18:03 UTC
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Jeps... præcis som dig.
Jeg har bare ikke brug for en serie af fantasi-venner, for at se dette i
øjnene.
Døden vil blive en ubehagelig opvågning for dig.

Lad mig fortælle dig lidt om, hvad man kan forvente, der vil ske på
dødstidspunktet, som det beskrives i Bhagavat Purana.

Hvis man har været meget god og from, så vil man, når man forlader din
krop, blive ført til de himmelske planeter og blive en halvgud. Der
vil man nyde i millioer af år, før man igen vil falde tilbage til
jorden og blive født som menneske. På de himmelske planeter nyder man
stort set som man gør på jorden - sex, drugs and rock'nroll, men det
foregår på et mere subtilt (fintfysisk eller psykisk) plan.
Astral-planet er det nogen, der kalder det. Der er himmelske
dansepiger og vidunderlige haver og soma-drik (en intoxikerende drik,
der forlænger livet), og musiken leveres af gandharvaerne (en slags
engle), der er de himmelske musikere. På de himmelske planeter er der
ingen alderdom og sygdom og ingen kropslige udskillelser. Men til slut
dør man og falder tilbage til en menneskelig krop.

Hvis man har været meget ond og nederdrægtig vil man på
dødstidspunktet blive hentet af Yamadhutaerne (dødsguden Yamarajas
budbringere) og blive ført til de helvedesagtige planeter, hvor man
vil blive pint og plaget i hvad der føles som en evighed. Det sker
også på det subtile, astrale plan. Så kort tid kan forkomme som meget
lang tid - ligesom i en drøm. Efter endt lidelse bliver man igen født
på jorden, men ikke nødvendigvis fra en menneskelig livmoder. Det kan
være fra en hvilken som helst af 8.400.400 livsarter.

Hvis man bare har været et ganske almindeligt, anstændigt menneske som
folk er flest, ikke for god og ikke for ond, vil man på
dødstidspunktet slukke. Man falder simpelthen i dyb søvn. 7 måneder
senere vågner man så op i en eller anden livmoder totalt snørret
sammen. Foster tilstanden er yderst pinefuld, og man er ved fuld
bevidsthed. Man vil huske alt om, hvad man har gjort for at havne i
den livmoder og få de forældre. Efter to måneder i dette helvede
bliver man mast ud af et hul, der er alt for lille og bliver født i
total shok og glemmer alting. Fostertilstanden beskrives detaljeret i
Bhagavat Purana.

Hvis man derimod har praktiseret åndeligt liv og tænker på Krishna ved
dødstidspunktet vil man vende tilbage til din oprindelige, evige
tilstand i den åndelige verden, eller man vil blive født på den planet
i det univers i den materielle verden, hvor Krishna har fremtrådt for
manifestere sine lege. Når det er slut, vil man sammen med Krishna
vende tilbage til den ådenlige verden. Den åndelige verden består af
ren bevidsthed - dvs. evighed, viden og lyksalighed. Hvert eneste atom
der er en sjæl i sin oprindelige rene, åndelige tilstand. MAO, alting
består af bevidsthed. Der hører sjælen oprindeligt hjemme. Det er
derfor man aldrig kan blive fuldt tilfreds i en fysisk/psykisk krop

Krishna siger:

Og hvem der end ved slutningen af sit liv forlader sin krop, idet han
kun tænker på Mig, opnår øjeblikkeligt Min natur. Om det hersker der
ingen tvivl. (Bg. 8.5)

Hvilken tilstand man end ihukommer når man forlader kroppen, O Kuntis
søn, den tilstand vil man med sikkerhed opnå i det næste liv. (Bg.
8.6)
EXLEX
2020-08-17 03:14:33 UTC
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Post by EXLEX
Jeps... præcis som dig.
Jeg har bare ikke brug for en serie af fantasi-venner, for at se dette i
øjnene.
Døden vil blive en ubehagelig opvågning for dig.
Det er vist kun folk med en ....alternativ..forståelse, som kalder døden
en opvågning.




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Jahnu
2020-08-18 14:09:32 UTC
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Det er vist kun folk med en ....alternativ..forståelse, som kalder døden
en opvågning.
Det vil kun tiden vise, bondedreng. Jeg har næsten medlidenhed med
dig.

HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER

The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989


The Hunger Argument

Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60
million.

Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if
Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million

Human beings in America: 243 million

Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by
U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80

Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95

Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99

How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds

Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 20.OOO

Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 165

Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56

Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16


The Environmental Argument

Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect

Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from
fossil fuels.

Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free
diet: 50 times more

Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75

Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising:
85

Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce
meat-centered diet: 260 million

Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds

Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S.
housecat.

Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55
sq.ft.

Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical
rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year


The Cancer Argument

Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week
vs. less than once a week: 4 times

For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or
more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs.
sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times


The Natural Resources Argument

Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.:
livestock portion.

Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to
float a destroyer.

Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25

Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500

Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not
subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound

Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no
longer subsidized: 89 dollars

Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a
meat-centered diet: 13

Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260

Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million

Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient
factory farming of meat: 34.5

Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8

Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present
meat-centered diet: 33


The Cholesterol Argument

Number of U.S. medical schools: 125

Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30

Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four
years in medical school: 25 hours

Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack

How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds

Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc.

Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc.

Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood
cholesterol if it is: normal

Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your
blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc.


The Antibiotic Argument

Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55

Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in
1960: 13

Percentage resistant in 1988: 91

Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of
antibiotics to livestock: ban

Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding
of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support


The Pesticide Argument

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains:
1

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits:
4

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy
products: 23

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55

Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs.
non meat-eating: 35 times higher

What USDA tells us: meat is inspected

Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin
chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004


The Ethical Argument

Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000

Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker

Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in
U.S:slaughterhouse worker

Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before
slaughter.: 1 cent

Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive


The Survival Argument

Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time
winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian

Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex

Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C.


Famous vegetarians:
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Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet
Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting

'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.'
--William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3
EXLEX
2020-08-18 21:10:42 UTC
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Det er vist kun folk med en ....alternativ..forståelse, som kalder døden
en opvågning.
Det vil kun tiden vise, bondedreng. Jeg har næsten medlidenhed med
dig.
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989
The Hunger Argument
Et argument som søger at kamuflere, at forældre i visse egne af verden,
har sat flere børn i verden end de evner at fodre.

Dette er ikke resten af verdens skyld.
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The Environmental Argument
Et argument baseret på at kamuflere, at det er folk i 3. verdens lande,
som smadrer miljøet i jagten på profit.

Dette er ikke resten af verdens skyld
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The Cancer Argument
Et lidt luset argument, som på en eller anden måde finder det
problematisk, at folk træffer egne valg.

Det er lidt som at hidse sig op over folk der ryger.
Så længe det ikke generer andre, så må de vel selv om den risiko de løber.
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The Natural Resources Argument
Et argument som søger at give folk dårlig samvittighed over forbrug af
ressourcer som de køber i dyre domme fra hele verden.

Forbrugerne gør intet andet end at købe ting, som er sat til salg.
Det er altså grådigheden og jagten på profit ude i den store verden, som
gør dette muligt.
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The Cholesterol Argument
Gentagelse af fordømmelse over folks frie valg.
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The Antibiotic Argument
Igen et spørgsmål om folks jagt på profit og ikke et spørgsmål om at
spise/ikke spise kød.

Jeg tror ikke der er mange forbrugere som insisterer på, at individer i
dyreopdræt simpelthen SKAL fodres med antibiotika.
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The Pesticide Argument
Igen et spørgsmål om folks jagt på profit, som så skal bruges til at
argumentere imod andre folks frie valg.
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The Ethical Argument
Ingen reelle etiske argumenter.
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The Survival Argument
None....




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Jahnu
2020-08-23 01:17:19 UTC
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bitch moan whine
Here is the new and revised chart, comparing flesh-eaters to plant
eaters, as it appeared in Peter Cox's book, Why You Don't Need Meat,
from 1994. It is highly recommendable reading for those who care about
what they eat, and who care about the planet and its other
inhabitants.

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VEGETARIAN FLESH-EATER HUMAN


Hands / hoofs Claws as append- Hands as
as appendages ages appendages


Teeth flat Teeth sharp Teeth flat
Alkaline saliva; Acid saliva; no Alkaline saliva;
much ptyalin ptyalin enzyme much ptyalin
enzyme enzyme
Stomach acid 10 Much strong hydro- Stomach acid 10
times weaker chloride acid in times weaker than
than meat-eaters stomach meat-eaters
Long intestines Short intestines; Long intestines;
to digest nutrients rapidly excrete digest nutrients in
in plant foods fully putrefying flesh plant foods fully


Sweats to cool Pants to cool Sweats to cool
body body body


Sips water Laps water Sips water


Vitamin C obtained Vitamin C manu- Vitamin C obtained
solely from diet factured internally solely from diet


Exists largely on Consumes flesh Diet depends
fruit and nut diet; exclusively on environment


Grasping hands No manual dexte- Grasping hands
capable of using terity capable of using
tools and weapons tools and weapons


Inoffensive Putrid Offensiveness of
excrement excrement excrement depends on diet


Snack feeder Large meals infre- Combines worst of
frequently taken both worlds


Predominantly Preference for salty Likes both sweet and
sweet toothed / fatty food salty / fatty food


Likes to savor Bolts down Likes to savor food,
food, experiment food experiment with variety,
with variety, com- combine flavors
bine flavors


Large brains, able Small brains, less Large brains, able
to rationalize capable of adaptive to rationalize
behavior
EXLEX
2020-08-23 14:05:13 UTC
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... er det virkelig nødvendigt?
Jahnu
2020-08-24 01:11:09 UTC
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... er det virkelig nødvendigt?
Absolut ikke. Ateister forklaring på verden er så evnesvag at ingen
tænkende mennesker kan tage det alvorligt.

"Science is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to
our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us about red and
blue, bitter and sweet, beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and
eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these
domains, but the answers are often so silly that we are not inclined
to take them seriously."

--Erwin Schrodinger, a Nobel prize winning physicist
EXLEX
2020-08-25 14:38:30 UTC
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... er det virkelig nødvendigt?
Absolut ikke.
Hvorfor spørger du så?




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Jahnu
2020-08-26 03:42:55 UTC
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Hvorfor spørger du så?
Krishna siger:

De, der er skamløst tåbelige, de, der er lavest blandt mennesker, de,
hvis viden er blevet stjålet af illusion, og, de, der deltager
dæmonernes ateistiske natur, overgiver sig aldrig til Mig. (Bg. 7.15)
EXLEX
2020-08-26 22:03:59 UTC
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Hvorfor spørger du så?
Krishna siger...
Krishna siger så meget....

Mon Jahnu magter at tale selv?




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Jahnu
2020-09-11 02:38:58 UTC
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Krishna siger så meget....
Mon Jahnu magter at tale selv?
Most people have a hard time believing that the goal of life is to get
out of the material ocean of birth and death and return home, back
home to Godhead.

And they are even more reluctant to believe that in the present age of
Kali, liberation has been made very easy.

In former ages, yogis and jnanis knew how hard it was to gain
liberation. They knew what a giant endeavor of austerity and
meditation it was to obtain liberation. They would sit for hundreds,
even thoudands of yeard in remote places in Himalayas and meditate on
Paramatma in the heart, attempting to gain release from samsara - the
endless cycle of birth and death.

In other words, liberation was only available to highly advanced yogis
who were willing to renounce mainstream society, which basically means
to renounce sex- and family-life, and dedicate their lives to severe
practices of penance and austerity.

Now, in Kali-yuga, the severe practice of yoga in former ages has been
made so easy and uncomplicated that anyone can do it. Whether you’re a
normal working stiff, a business man, a politician, in fact, even you
are the worst of sinners, just by chanting the Hare Krishna mantra,
you can get release from samsara.

Shukadeva Goswmi says:

My dear King, although Kali-yuga is an ocean of faults, there is still
one good quality about this age: Simply by chanting the Hare Krishna
maha-mantra, one can become free from material bondage and be promoted
to the transcendental kingdom.

Whatever result was obtained in Satya-yuga by meditating on Visnu, in
Treta-yuga by performing sacrifices, and in Dvapara-yuga by serving
the Lord's lotus feet can be obtained in Kali-yuga simply by chanting
the Hare Krishna maha-mantra.

--Srimad Bhagavatam, 12.3.51-52

One may then ask - if it’s so easy now to get liberation from the
material world, why don’t more people avail themselves of the
opportunity?

The answer is that generally, in any age, but especially in Kali-yuga,
it’s a rare person who want to engage in any form of spiritual life. A
special feature of Kali-yuga is that the general mass of people are
dedicated to fulfilling bodily needs without restraint, and to that
end they have devoted themselves to atheism.

King Pariksit says:

"In this material world there are as many living entities as there are
atoms. Among these living entities very few are human beings, and
among them, few are interested in following religious principles.'

"O best of the brahmanas, Sukadeva Gosvami, out of many persons who
follow religious principles, only a few desire liberation from this
material world. Among many thousands who desire liberation, only one
may actually achieve liberation, giving up his material attachment to
society, friendship, love, country, home, wife and children. And among
many thousands of such liberated persons, one who can understand the
true meaning of liberation is very rare.'

"O great sage, among many millions who are liberated and perfect in
knowledge of liberation, only one may become a devotee of Sri
Narayana, (Krishna). Such devotees, who are fully peaceful, are
extremely rare."

--Srimad Bhagavatam 6.14. 3-5

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